The "All Things Mayweather/Pacquiao" Express!!!!!!

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  1. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If you honestly don't understand the argument (and I think you do), then you will understand soon enough.

    Arum flipped the script here. And did so brilliantly.

    Seems Arum has an issue with Tygart and his buddies. Much as Mayweather seems to have an issue with Pac's supposed PED usage.

    One good turn deserves another. :lol:
     
  2. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Extremely interesting. Mayweather doesn't trust Pacquiao; Arum doesn't trust Tygart or the USADA.

    I have to read Conte's comments on the matter in the Examiner.com piece.
     
  3. Sweet Jones

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    Unfortunately, that's not what Arum said. They've agreed to 'unlimited random testing' in the past. The problem has been the demand for a cutoff. You are simply assuming no cutoff this time.

    And anyone following this saga, which has been full of half arsed, cryptic statements later contradicted by people from Manny's own camp, should know better.
     
  4. Devildoc

    Devildoc Capo Di Tutti Capi Full Member

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    Like what I said. Arum is a much better player at this game.

    Don't **** with the Bob Father. :lol:
     
  5. Brian

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    You got me. My master plan has been foiled. :|

    I'm asking legit questions.
     
  6. Sweet Jones

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    Out of curiousity, when do you think the 'issue' with Tygart developed, and why have we not heard anything about this before now?

    Considering that blood testing has been at the forefront of this fight not getting done, is it not troubling to you that this was not raised much earlier?
     
  7. Boxing Fanatic

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    its amazing they r making such a fuss about this bs. what is arum hiding about pac? floyd bugging the shite out of them and it is working.
     
  8. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Which makes sense, since Bob has been doing this for decades.

    This is what Don King told Floyd's team as well: Arum is killing you guys in the court of public opinion and in strategy.

    King was right. :rofl
     
  9. Sweet Jones

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    Only Pacs fans can actually praise Bob Arum for 'winning' a PR battle while screwing them out of what would be THE biggest fight in boxing history.

    Hilarious, yet sad.
     
  10. rayrobinson

    rayrobinson Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Very good post .

    Well written and delivered.
     
  11. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    From what I understand, the issue with Mayweather/Golden Boy sucking up to Tygart has been building for awhile now. Haven't GBP used Tygart/USADA for a few fights now? You don't want someone who is making money (I think) and building fame from your opponent and his associates to be the one handling your testing. That seems fairly reasonable to me. Especially when said person/agency is out talking about your opponent as "the clean athlete," apparently. Possible conflict of interest and bias issues.

    It doesn't matter when Arum developed an issue with Tygart. Much as we hear, from sources like Fight H_pe, that it doesn't matter that all the sudden -- after Pac-Cotto, I think -- Mayweather wanted to have Pacquiao and all his future opponents tested. Why did Mayweather wait until then to start testing his opponents? Oh, that's right -- it doesn't matter why Floyd waited. He has a right to test Pacquiao and all of his future opponents.

    And Arum has a right to ask for someone other than the USADA to do the testing. Doesn't matter why. Right?
     
  12. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm going to say this yet again. Listen closely:

    The fight is never going to happen. ALL of this -- all of it -- is a PR (public relations) battle. It is a battle over who gets blamed for the fight not happening.

    Arum easily won Round 1. But Mayweather fought back, with his Fight H_pe video interviews, "hey when I called Pacquiao a 'yellow' whatever and said I would cook him with cats and dogs I REALLY wasn't being a racist" statements and now the Ortiz fight, with testing.

    It actually looked like Floyd was starting to gain ground in the PR war, with some help from his friends. It looked like he had Arum and Pac somewhat backed into a corner.

    Now, Arum just turned the tables, big time. Round 3 goes to Arum, while Mayweater and Co. sit silent.

    This was a brilliant move. Truly brilliant. It's not over yet, but this was a decisive Arum stroke.

    Again, all in a battle over PR for a fight that will never, ever happen. It's just about reputations now. Particularly Floyd's reputation.
     
  13. Jetmax

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    What's wrong with asking for a level playing field? USADA is from America, Floyd is American. How would you feel if PADA (Philippine ADA) do the testing. (I'm not sure it exists I'm just making a point). WADA is at neutral it can get. What the hell is the problem, what is your objection with WADA?
     
  14. Devildoc

    Devildoc Capo Di Tutti Capi Full Member

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    They don't want to entertain the idea that a non american fighter is in equals to a slick african american fighter. That's all there is to it.
     
  15. Sweet Jones

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    This is flawed logic. It's the equivalent of saying Mayweather doesn't want to fight in Cowboy Stadium because Jerry Jones 'made money' with Pacquiao or that Pacquiao wants ABC to broadcast the fight and provide announcers because HBO has 'made money' with Mayweather.

    The USADA is a contracted service for this fight, just like they were for the Mosley fight.They are higly respected in their field. I have a hard time believing that classifies as 'sucking up'.

    Mayweather passed their testing protocols. They can speak on him, at least as it concerns their testing.

    Pac has not gone through their testing protocols. Why would proclaim him 'clean' or 'dirty' without that? And can you please find where the USADA implied Pac was dirty, and not simply said that they can't verify his status because they haven't tested him?


    I don't necessarily have a problem with Arum wanting a different agency. But if the logic is that Mayweather used testing as a last minute excuse to not make the fight (a popular belief among Pac fans), then why shouldn't this from Arum be seen in the same light?
     
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