The 'what fights did you watch today?' thread

I scored Collins-Eubank 1 114-113 fro Collins, I didnt see Eubank winning but it was a very close fight. Thought it was a fair decision though.

 

LOL. You have clearly misread my post. Of course Matthysee won the round he dropped Zab in and the round after. I will post my round by round scoring in a few.

 

Extremely close and difficult to score, but i had Eubank winning by a couple of points. The last rounds were key to the outcome IMO. and they won Eubank the fight. He eked it out with those 4 points in the championship rounds. TBH i struggle to give Stevie more then 5 rounds, 6 maximum. He did score a KD which wasn't so it depends if you score it as a KD. I suppose you have to because the judges did. I just thought Eubank was more combat effective, more precise, especially with his counters (highlighted by that counter right hand he dropped Collins with in the 10th) and Collins was missing quite a bit.

This fight really goes against anyone who doesn't score even rounds. IMO you have to score at least one of those early ones even, it's not fair otherwise.

Ahh, i was thinking surely even you couldn't score 10 and 11 for Zab, lol.

Anyway, post your card so we can take it apart...:good

 

I just finished watching Abraham vs Taylor. I think that I scored it too widely for Abraham... Taylor had a good start, as he usually does, but couldn't keep it up.

 

You could just see him being set up for the knockout. Taylor's problem was he fought too jittery and never learned to stand off center, that's why he always got cought with the same punches. He wasted a lot of nervous energy in the ring and that's why is stamina was suspect, he would burn himself out without doing much. His other problem was he has extremely low boxing IQ. Really isn't the smartest fighter around. I've always liked JT though, his body of work after winning the middleweight title is underrated imo. Just a shame he's decided to comeback, as he's shot and will suffer another brutal stoppage again.

 

:good Amazing that a 12th round KO happened in consecutive fights. He's done well in his career, but what happened? Did the Pavlik fights take too much out of him, or would you have called him shot only after the Froch fight, where he took so much punishment?

 

Just watched Rios VS Antillon, fantastic little tear up! I wish it lasted longer. Rios is an absolute warrior.

 

I don't think he was a shot even by the time of the Abraham fight. Remember he did really well in the rematch against Pavlik and laid the blueprint somewhat on how to give Kelly problems. He was giving the business to Carl and was winning that fight. He's probabily not totally shot right now tbh, but he's on the slide and not far from being washed up.

What happened? well, as i said he had just too many flaws to compete at the elite level for a sustained period. His nervous energy, the numerous technical flaws (sucker for the right hand, the bow and arrow jab etc.) his poor stamina combined with his serious lack of a boxing brain (highlighted by the Froch defeat) all contributed to his downfall.

JT actually did very well for a guy with so many flaws. Lets not forget he has two wins over Bernard Hopkins, even though they were extremely close he still gave Bernard all he could handle and then some. Looking back on his record by todays standards it's impressive. After he won the title he kind of lined up some stiff comp and fought them all. People might say they weren't all true middleweights, but i really don't give him much stick for that, especially with the climate of modern boxing. All you have to do is compare his reign to the guy who beat him for the title and it says it all.

 

Well, I know that he was stopped against Pavlik once and lost a UD the second time (I didn't follow boxing back then). Is the second one worth a watch? Thanks for the answer, I did notice that his defence was poor in the last two fights. :good I noticed that quite regularly he taps his chin/face with one of his gloves - is that to 'mark his guard' or just some random habit?

I just watched Calzaghe vs Kessler. Calzaghe did so well, comfortably won that fight. His punches looked really soft but had impact and despite a couple of early quiet rounds (for him) he didn't really change his style a lot. 117-111 for Calzaghe.

 

Had another look at Eubank vs. Collins 1. Just to make sure it was indeed as i remembered it.

And it was. Came away with 7-4 with 1 even in favour of Eubank.

 

Yep, it's definitely worth a look, mate. Good fight. Jermaine was more tentative and really wary of Pavlik's power, but he fought more smarter, didn't get himself on the ropes and kind of showcased what was to come in Pavlik's career and his future struggles against movement and someone who can slip his 1, which meant Pavlik couldn't set up his over hand right. Taylor faded towards the end IIRC, but he did well and it was much closer then the judges had it. Taylor may have even had a case for edging it by a round or two.

The glove to the face thing, is just a random habit, but I think Jermaine does those kinds of things because he fights really anxious and with a lot of nervous energy. He finds it hard to relax and it's just a by-product of that.

 

OK, thanks once again.

I watched Barrera vs Márquez today. Surprising that Lederman had it 114-113 to Barrera. While I thought that my scorecard was a bit wide (117-110), it was in line with the other judges and Márquez surely won clearly. Larry Merchant was absolute rubbish, going on about the knockdown for way too long (I mean, you can mention it, but he said it in a bad tone and at the wrong moments). Also, he was talking about a 'two or three point swing' towards Márquez due to the knockdown call. Márquez clearly won that round - knockdown would have meant 9-9. However, Barrera would have been deducted a point for hitting Márquez while on the floor anyway, so it would have been 9-8 to Márquez. In fact, it was scored 10-8 to Márquez, so it was actually only a one point swing. If this is wrong, someone correct me please.

And I'm in the middle of watching Hamed vs Barrera. Although every Muslim knows those words (and Hamed may be fluent anyway), Hamed has a good accent and it was a nice touch. I think that I have it 48-47 to Barrera at the moment.

Also, I noticed that he started southpaw and switched to orthodox in the first round. I've noticed Rhodes, Hamed and Brook (briefly in his last fight) do this. Now, it's not rare, but I think that they were/are all trained by Brendan Ingle. Does he preach this? I don't think that it's a very good idea to do it more than once or twice, especially as often as Rhodes did vs Álvarez.

 

Quigg vs. Varela. Quigg put on a good show. Decent movement, veriety and very good punch placement. Lovely bodyshot finish too.

 

Good patient performance I thought. He fought older than his years.

It's mad how he is going under the radar compared to Frampton.

 

Yeah, he's not getting much pub but that will come and the Hattons are doing a pretty good job developing him.

My only concern for Quigg is, he relies too much on his legs for defence. The amateur system is producing too many fighters who use their legs as defence, but are still getting hit even when moving because their upper body is so stiff. They're not turning the shoulder and pivoting properly. It's just putting the earmuffs on and hoping that's enough. It's enough in the ams but the punches get through on you in the pro game.

Joe Murray has the same flaw.