How would a prime Wanderlei Silva do against jon jones of today?

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  1. MetalMandible

    MetalMandible Chinchecker Full Member

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    And this fantasy of yours makes sense how? What advantage is Silva going to gain under PRIDE rules? He's likely not going to take Jones down or drop him to have him in position to soccer kick or stomp him and I doubt he'd be able to sprawl on even one takedown to land any significant knees. If you're saying that prime Wanderlei would rock him standing, what difference would the PRIDE rules make?

    The likely outcome, and this is useless conjecture because we'll never "know", is that Wanderlei's wild caveman swings get countered with 84" telephone pole jabs, Jones owns him in the clinch, and mangles him on the ground to a late stoppage or ugly decision. Wanderlei isn't tall enough nor a good enough wrestler to fight him up close, he certainly can't fight him at range, and he can't stop the takedown even if he does manage to land one of those ugly hooks.
     
  2. CrimsonBeast

    CrimsonBeast Active Member Full Member

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    Jones is on another level than wandy even in his prime. As the sport evolves so do the newer generation of great fighters. I love both though :thumbsup
     
  3. timmyjames

    timmyjames PTurd curb stomper Full Member

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    hate picking against wandy, hate jumping to make jones ATGSUPERBESTESTEVER 1, but, i lean to jones
     
  4. horst

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    Under PRIDE rules?

    Wanderlei would smash him. Jones is a superb athlete, but the only top guy he's beaten yet is an out of shape, blunted version of Shogun. We have never seen him under pressure and taking punishment. Personally, I think a young guy like that folds like a deckchair once the 2003 version of Wanderlei starts trying to decapitate him with hooks, knees and soccer kicks to the skull.
     
  5. horst

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    This.

    The small ring and the Pride rules strongly favour Wanderlei, the huge Octagon and the UFC rules strongly favour Bones.
     
  6. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    :deal I like Jones ALOT. But you have to be realistic here. His resume is thin as expected. When he starts facing more names and get's more wins under his belt we can evaluate him more. But certainly under PRIDE rules i wouldn't fancy his chances vs Shogun or Wandy. Much less for Rampage.
     
  7. Ubersteve

    Ubersteve The Main Event Mafia Full Member

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    Jones, takedown then elbows. Not a hard fight to call.
     
  8. horst

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    Until Jones beats Machida or a fully-fit, back-to-his-best Shogun, I'm going to resist joining the hype train. He looks superb, but Tito Ortiz just submitted Bader faster than Jones managed, and I refuse to accept Shogun coming off surgery and looking bloated and sluggish was a good version of Shogun. Put simply, Jones hasn't done **** yet to prove he is a great fighter. He only looks like one. I suspect he is the real deal, but I'll wait for him to prove it before I start showering him with adulation.
     
  9. CrimsonBeast

    CrimsonBeast Active Member Full Member

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    He wouldn't land any of that **** on Jones. The reach is too much for knees is the clinch and sloopy wandy hooks. I don't think he would get in a position to soccer kick because of what I already mentioned. Jones is good enough to properly use his reach and jab the **** out of wandy to soften em up.
     
  10. 196osh

    196osh Mendes Bros. Full Member

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    Jones negates one of prime Wandy's best wepons in the clinch, as as soon as they clinch up he would end up on his back.

    Pride rules Wand would have a better chance, but I think he would still end up on his back and Jones on top of you is such a bad thing.

    I'd take Jones UD in Pride and Jones TKO elbow's in the UFC.
     
  11. horst

    horst Guest

    The reach is not the same weapon in a small ring as it is in a vast Octagon, and Jon Jones is not Larry Holmes. Wandy would get inside IMO.
     
  12. MetalMandible

    MetalMandible Chinchecker Full Member

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    You're a ****ing idiot, so I doubt you'll engage me here anymore than you tried with Chuck Liddell but let me just say, you haven't a clue about MMA OR boxing.

    You don't have to see Jones beat top opponents to see the skills he possesses and the skills that Wanderlei has never possessed. PRIDE rules wouldn't make a **** because it's not like Wanderlei could sprawl on a Jones takedown, which normally is a clinch not a sprawlable shot, well enough to land knees on the ground and it's not like he'd take him down to soccer kick or stomp him. If you saying he'd drop him and stomp him out why wouldn't he win under UFC rules where he could drop and punch him out? Oh, that's right, because he'd never be able to drop a 6'4" guy that can jab with shitty caveman hooks and he wouldn't be able to work his vaunted Muay Thai clinch either because the leverage and clinch grappling ability lies with Jones. If anything, PRIDE rules would make Jones more of an animal and the **** that Shogun received from him would have only been amplified.

    Pull your head out of your ass, you arrogant and ignorant ****.
     
  13. MetalMandible

    MetalMandible Chinchecker Full Member

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    Shogun's better standing than Wand, prime or no prime, and Jones' jab did work on him. Silva's angry ****** hooks would fare no better than Rua's repetitive overhand right.
     
  14. Tko4

    Tko4 Left high kick Full Member

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    Does "prime" also indicate that he can be on as much juice as he wants to do be? Either way, I still take Jones.
     
  15. James23

    James23 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    About as good as Rua did.