No, it isn't reasonable. Why on earth would Jones have gained weight after his weigh in with Ruiz? It isn't as if he had to cut down to 193 in order to make weight. The fight was at heavyweight. You aren't making sense with that line of thinking. Jones would not have gained weight from the weigh in to the fight night against Ruiz because he wasn't cutting weight or losing any water weight to come in to the weigh in at 193. What on earth would he have done that for? Dehydrate himself for nothing? Yes, Jones weighed 193 against Ruiz, he didn't gain ANY weight afterward and even did an interview a few weeks later saying that he was back to walking around 186. Which is what he weighed for his fight against Tarver. Why would Roy's weight have stayed higher than his normal walking around weight, AFTER he fought Ruiz? It isn't as if he was continually packing weight on or something. He gained a bit of weight for his fight against Ruiz, and then his body went back to normal in the months after the fight... which is what happens. Roy didn't have to cut muscle off of his body to be at his normal weight... that is just ridiculous. Especially considering how much better he faired in that fight than the 2nd fight. Which he said was the best training camp he had, and was at 100%. "Got any excuses tonight, Roy"?
Anyone who has watched Roy since the Olympics could see that after the Ruiz fight Jones was no the same fighter who had once dominated so many fighters before ..He was severly drained in the 1st Tarver fight .Yet he fought through it but that was not the Roy of old in there ..
I had the same thoughts when I watched it for the first time. Jones took it in a good but decisive fight.
Okay, okay... I'll grant you the Ruiz fight.... Still, Jones did weigh at least 193 pounds in March 2003, and it was muscle; not fat..... But come the Nov. 2003 fight with Tarver, Jones was back down to 175 at the morning weigh-in and looked drained at that juncture.... From the weigh-in until the fight, I'm sure Jones could easily balloon up to 186 by the opening bell against Tarver...... BOTTOM LINE! Jones had to drop a good 18 pounds of muscle between March and November 2003..... I agree 25 pounds is probably exaggerated.... MR.BILLbbb:hat
NOBODY looks the same when they are losing or in a tough fight as they do when they are dominating. That is why that argument is always silly. This is why people are so quick to say that fighters got "old overnight" or that they are all of the sudden shot, finished, ect... after one loss. It's because they looked "different" in the ring. Of course they are going to look different when they are losing. Tarver exposed something about Roy Jones Jr. If you punch when he punches, you can have great success. Fighters used to just be in awe of Jones' speed and would stand there allowing him to pot shot, as they were too concered with seeing it coming and preparing. Tarver proved that if you punch when Jones' throws, then it really throws Roy off and he is very vulnerable. Glen Johnson showed this once again directly afterward. Of course, Jones is finished now... but he wasn't then. Once fighters lost that overbearing respect for Roy in the ring, it showed in his fights. People knew he was beatable, and they went after it. Happens all the time.
I still have no idea where you are getting 18 lbs from. 193 to 186 is not 18 pounds! The rest of the way from 186 to 175 was NOT muscle. It was water weight, which is backed up by the fact that he immediately gained it right back within 24 hours. You understand that, right? So... those 11 lbs are WITHOUT A DOUBT, nothing but water weight. That only leaves 7 lbs. Roy looked drained at the weigh in for the first Tarver fight? This content is protected C'mon man... this is just getting silly. Roy looked just as he always did. Ripped and in fantatastic shape. No sign at all of weight problems, being drained, ect.... That is just nonsense.
so u think even think that Glen Johnson from '04 would beat the '97/'98 version of Roy Jones if he "punched the same time as him"?
Renzo Bagnariol, the chairman of the WBA championship committee, said Friday that Jones has been given until April 15 to decide if he wants to remain WBA heavyweight champion or defend his WBA light heavyweight belt. Under WBA rules, Jones had 10 days to make the decision, but it is not surprising that he was given an extension. Meanwhile, Jones weighed more than the announced 193 pounds at the weigh-in Feb. 27. Mackie Shilstone, Jones' conditioning coach, said Jones was 198 1/2 the morning of the weigh-in. "I knew it was more than 193," said Marc Ratner, the executive director of the Nevada Athletic Commission. "Roy had a sweat suit on. (The scale) was hovering. I figured he had about three pounds of clothes. With the skirmish that had just happened (between the camps), the amount of people on the stage and all of the jockeying around, I just got them up and down (off the scales)." Ratner said because heavyweights don't have to make a weight, it was better to get the weigh-in over with before another melee broke out.
What the **** do you fail to heed???atsch Do the math... 193 - 175 = 18.......:yep That Nov. 2003 jump within 36 hrs from weigh-in until fight time is purely a mixture of "Water & Food." Jones didn't all of a sudden gain 11 pounds of muscle from the weigh-in until the fight....... It was mainly liquid weight.... hey Dude, smell the coffee pot on the stove and have a cup...... Wake up...:think MR.BILL:hat
I don't see how it can be ignored. We have video proof on another scale he was 200lbs. We have the guy who weighed the fighters saying he messed up. We have Mackie keeping track of Jones throughout camp...
Also, most of you guys seem to be forgetting that Tarver himself walked around about 220 at the time. Tarver cut WAY more weight than Jones did for that fight. It's just silly to make excuses like that, when everyone knows that Jones was never a big light heavyweight to begin with.
guy is obviously a fuking idiot. if RJJ was white he'd probably be his biggest nutswinger. people weren't punching with Roy because they were always getting beaten to the punch. Tarver had success because RJJ's reflexes had slowed and his legs had stiffened. yeah "punch the same time" as him! that's the way to beat Roy. took a boxing genius in Tarver to figure it out I guess. :rofl