The "All Things Mayweather/Pacquiao" Express!!!!!!

A lot of good names missing from that list:

Vargas
Carlos Hernandez
Corley
Mitchell
Gatti

 

Clottey was a pick as well. 1 KO in his previous 11 fights.

I agree that Oscar cherry picked Pacman, but again, I still feel that win is "over-stated" as Oscar was clearly finished judging by his performance against the "hard hitting" Forbes who busted his cheek bone.

If you want me to break down my thoughts for each one since JMM, this is how I feel about them.

David Diaz -- Cherry pick. Could have rematched JMM. Diaz was the worst 135 champion at the time in my opinion.

Oscar -- Oscar thought he would pick on the smaller man and wanted one more big name on his resume as he knew he was on the decline. Solid win, but it has been over-stated a bit. It certainly does not count more than Mayweather's win at 154 18 months prior.

Ricky Hatton -- Cherry pick. Clearly on the decline. Was KO'd by Mayweather and was out on his feet against Lazcano. Was ripe to be taken down. Would not have kept his 140 Ring Belt for long, regardless if Manny fought him or not.

Cotto -- Good fight. I called Cotto losing by KO, and I was not disappointed. Still a good fight, nothing to argue about with that one.

Clottey -- Cherry pick. In the midst of negotiations against Mayweather, and you sign a fight with this guy in just 3 days? 1 KO in his previous 11 bouts, and had never been anything more than a glorified gatekeeper. Also lost to Cotto, a fighter Manny had just KO'd. I told everybody Clottey would just be a walking punching bag, and I was right.

Margarito -- Coming off a suspension and an unimpressive decision win. At a catchweight for a bogus paper title as well. Margarito is big, but slow as molasses. No contest and easy fight to pick. Similar to Clottey, a big walking punching bag... except Margarito will actually ATTEMPT to throw some punches.

Mosley -- Cherry pick.


Pretty much the JMM and Cotto fight are the last good fights I've seen from Pacman. And I AM a Pacquiao fan.

 

Ricky Hatton

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Which one of them was better than Clottey? He would at worst draw with the 38 year old Mosley. He did beat Judah.

How? All he accomplished was beating Zab Judah. Clottey did the same thing.

Is this how we judge the quality of a fighter? Let's play this game, then:

Zab Judah has 3 KOs at WW IN HIS ENTIRE CAREER
Sharmba Mitchell has 0 KOs at WW IN HIS ENTIRE CAREER
Carlos Baldomir has 14 KOs in 67 fights IN HIS ENTIRE CAREER
Ricky Hatton has 0 KOs at WW IN HIS ENTIRE CAREER
Juan Manuel Marquez has 0 KOs at WW IN HIS ENTIRE CAREER

Floyd himself has only 1 KO in his previous 6 fights! Is he not a dangerous fighter, either?

I don't believe any version of Arturo Gatti beats Hatton at 140 and don't see any reason why anybody would ever think so.

 

you have to agree that you can basically do this with any boxer in history.

 

exactly:thumbsup

 

Yes. And every boxer in history has done some cherry picking. :deal Pacquiao is no different.

 

Then doesn't that make your original point moot?

 

Answers are in bold to your quote.

 

Pac.

 

Who would you have like to see him fight post diaz instead of the guys he fought?
I think he should have fought marquez at 140 or berto instead of mosley, berto being my number 1 choice back then.
but other than that its a little difficult to name guys he should have fought instead.

 

Uhh, no, it doesn't. People are exaggerating his recent resume to fit their agenda. That is the point. Especially his wins over Clottey and Margarito. Both fights that were absolute jokes.

He has some good wins, but he has been busy doing a lot of cherry picking lately as well. Like I said, both of these guys are about equal right now. They need to fight.

 

Hatton was lineal champion at 140 for 4+ years and was lineal champion when Pacquiao beat him. According to your own ridiculous "logic" that automatically makes him better than Gatti. Your incredible stupidity aside, Hatton was just a better fighter than Gatti.

And yes, I'm arguing for Clottey (who by the way DID win a title at 147). I'm arguing that he would beat every single fighter Floyd has ever faced at 147 including Victor Ortiz.

 

He should have rematched JMM without a doubt. Casamayor and Juan Diaz were champs at 135 at the time he fought Diaz. Not saying he would lose to those guys, although Casamayor might have been an interesting fight as he can be quite awkward.

Berto would have been a good scalp. I have no problem with his fight with Cotto as I said.

There are plenty of guys at 140 not named Ricky Hatton. Never fought any of them. I understand this is for business purposes/money, but that doesn't change the facts.

His last 3 fights have been horrendous in particular: Mosley, Margarito, and Clottey.

 

Hatton was out on his feet against Juan Lazcano. I'm not using some weird logic like you claim, I'm using my own evaluation of Hatton after seeing his performances. Did you NOT see his fight against Lazcano? Hatton got busted up badly. He did not look great against Malignaggi either.

Gatti was a multi-division champion at the time. Hatton had not moved to 147 yet. Gatti also had been in with superior competition at the time. Yes, Gatti could have, and would have in my opinion beat Hatton back at that time.

The fact you are arguing for Joshua Clottey just means you are an irrational Pacquiao fan. I love Manny too, but his fight against Clottey was an absolute joke and an insult to his fans.

Like I said in my previous post: his last 3 fights have been horrendous.


My incredible stupidity aside? Do you have an engineering degree? Just curious because you better have some credentials before you go mouthing off about intelligence. It's called a "difference of opinion." Leave the insults out of it and talk like a grown man.