The main reason Pacquiao wouldn't beat Mayweather, is that ....

Lots of good input from diff. Posters.

IMO, this fight plays out the same way calzaghe vs Hopkins did, w/ PAC winning rounds based on workrate. You have to be able to make lacquiao back up to throw him off, and to do that you need to grow combinations... MArquez exhibited that perfectly at times but not enough. I don't think Floyd throws enough nowadays to throw PAC off. His safety first style ain't helping too. As long as PAC stays in the offensive, I say he wins.

 

The main reason why Pac won't win is because he lacks a jab you won't beat pbf without one because you must keep him honest with it to disrupt him and he doesn't apply educated pressure. He's reckless in his approach and can't cut the ring off as well. His lack of polish in these areas will be his undoing against a master boxer like pbf.

 

:think good point. Pernell and Bernard are good examples of this

 

Floyd has the best punches landed and punches landed on percentage in the history of compubox

 

i think one of the things people overlook on pac is his defense. it is underrated. i think what his problem will be against floyd will be floyd's ring intelligence. that separates floyd from the rest

 

one punch at a time
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:deal

 

that's ignorant
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Too much credence is given to the "jab" as a solution to beat Floyd. Yes....it's definitely helpful for most who don't operate with the same physical qualities that Manny has with regards to his speed, explosiveness and reflexes. Manny is able to do things that other fighters can't...as well as Floyd. The way PAC fights Floyd is not the same way anyone else would have to fight him in order to be successful. PAC doesn't necessiarily need the jab to be effective in setting up his offense. He has other weapons that are just as effective as a DLH jab thanks to his swift footwork and fast twitch muscle fibers.

 

That's not ignorant boss....it's true. Floyd hurting his hand in a fight he was dominating based on superior skills and overwhelming talent isn't having to "dig deep". Floyd just had to adapt mid fight to being a single handed fighter. I'm talking about digging deep when your losing rounds, taking punishment and sucking air from a grueling pace. I'm not saying floyd's is not tough....fighting with a cracked rip or with a broken hand is not easy but it's not what I was speaking to when I said "DIG DEEP".

 

This needs to be repeated over and over.

Pac fans have convinced themselves that Mosley started 'running' after the knockdown. But the tape doesn't show that.

Here is Round 4:
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and Round 5:
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I don't see running. I see a non counter punching, defensively limited Shane Mosley able to blunt Pac's offense by simply circling left, flicking that mediocre jab, keeping his right hand on his chin, occasionally moving out of range with his feet and tying Pac up.

Very non-complicated stuff, folks.

And even still, you can see Mosley occassionally timing Pac with his jab and able to get to Pac's body. That's a 'shot' Mosley doing that.

There is no doubt Mayweather can implement such a plan.
We've seen similar movement frustrate Pac (Morales, Marquez, Cotto for stretches). PBF has the ability to fight the same way Mosley did in those rounds above except with superior defense and pinpoint counter punching.

Swarming guys who know how to use the ring is a different proposition than hitting human punching bags (Margo, Clottey, etc.)

 

guys who have been in the ring, be it competitive or just sparring, know the feeling of getting hit with punches you dont see coming it changes everything from your mentality through to your tactics. This, coupled with floyd's movement and ring generalship, is something i dont see manny being able to overcome its easy to throw and be aggressive against come forward or passive fighters as you get time to see the openings and pick the shots but against floyd he wont have those luxuries. As soon as he opens up floyd will already have countered him and moved. I see his output dropping drastically in this fight and i'm going out on a limb here and saying floyd stops him late

 

Thanks for posting these numbers. It actually specifies exactly what we all should know... Floyd is more conservative and accurate where PAC is more relentless offensively and less accurate.

But the big picture is that while Floyd's defensive numbers beat Manny it's not at all as dominating in comparision to 99% of other fighters out there. Defensively PAC isn't given his just dues which is a common misconception.

Offensively PAC is overwhelmingly dominant albeit less accurate. His success comes with overwhelming his opponents with hard, crisp punches.

 

I guess Floyd is too good to ever have to "DIG DEEP" :thumbsup

 

I see running. He was keeping not only out of PAC's range but also well outside of his own. If you are expecting to see "RUNNING" as in shane's back towards Manny then you'd be waiting a long time. When people describe Shane's performance as "RUNNING" it's more in the sense that Shane was staying well away from any offensive risk by keeping distance between him and PAC. The problem was that it also stiffled ANY chance he had of offering up any resemblance of offense.