Herbie Hide versus Don Cockell

If Haye had Cockells balls he might be champ

 

Not all but a few. DAMIANI, HIPP, COETZER, BUTLER..
How many rated heavyweights of the 1990s would win fights in the 1950's? remember if they were in the 1950s they would not all be 220lb because they would be training like 1950s fighters.

 

Perhaps. Hide- no way.

 

Hide with little problem.

 

based on the fact hide never beat real rated contenders and always got knocked out when he stepped up....

Hide looked great in a missmatch though. trouble was his victims had already declined to the stage where they couldnt win fights anymore before hide fought them.

 

im not going to excuse how cockell trained but the guy still beat enough genuine 1950s contenders to earn a crack at the undisputed champion.

would hide beat the same 27 year old lastarza that cockell did?

 

again he was around 188lb (197 in later fights) because he was under 30 years old and trained like a 1950s fighter.

Lastarza was rated by boxing people - some called him the next Tunney. as well as rex layne lastarza aso beat cesar Brion, a 6'4 -a rough tough contender at least bonecrusher smith kind of level who Kod tami mauriello and lastarza beat cesar when he was still good. In 1952 roland knocked dan bucceroni down 5 times who was also a rated contender. Film of bucceroni against jimmy slade proves dan was a top fighter of about herbie hides level.

 

I don't know about that seamus,

Lastarza had some very nice counterpunching skills displayed on film. He also typically was around low 190's.

 

Ok, check out brion yourself. The guy was tough. A fragile hype job would have been exposed by him.

http://youtu.be/Ny6l9VPbhRg

http://youtu.be/Nx24RwuXWWg

http://youtu.be/YKFBgctFL6M

 

No, LaStarza claimed he "overtrained" and came in too light for the second Marciano fight. 184 was his lightest in several years, as he normally came in around 190. NO idea where you are coming from with this one. Marciano fans my slightly overhype LaStarza's achievements, but ****, your trying to make him out to be a blown up sub 180 pounder. Which is just flat out WRONG.

As I recall, there was some sort of delay for the fight and both men ended up coming in lighter than they wanted. Both claimed being "overtrained"

You are also over hyping the **** out Hide(Vitali fan maybe?). As I've done said, he was a great puncher but fragile if you put the heat on him. He might upset a lazy LaStarza, but a game one, would probably knock him all over the ring and stop him. Hide made the arm punching Vitali look like Tyson for ****'s sake. HIde wasn't as tough minded as Bucceroni(who got off the canvas to beat Slade) and LaStarze dropped him 5 times. As Hide as hard hits, a totally gassed LaStarza stayed on his feet as Marciano broke the god damn bones in his body and landed flush punches to his head, he even got up after being knocked through the ropes.

 

I think both bucceroni and slade at the time they fought each other would have had too much for herbie hide who never won or came through a competative fight.

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