Matt Serra. How good is/was he?

Haha I admit it, Im lazy :good

 

Haha no it doesnt, it's not about 'rudimentary' skill, it's about intention. Simple

 

Really, you're all struggling so hard not to disrespect or tarnish the guy's win that you're literally arguing that a guy who has managed to stop two guys with strikes in a decade-plus career and who couldn't box his way out of a wet paper sack didn't have an extraordinary stroke of luck when he stood flat-footed in the middle of the ring winging hooks and one managed to graze the back of GSP's head. This is utterly bizarre.atsch

If the better man, and GSP is CLEARLY the better man, or better team fails to win in a competition or is blown out as in this case, it is a fluke. We might have to agree to disagree.

 

I can understand that you didn't bother reading my explanation, but didn't you even read the definitions of the words that Stoo posted for you?

Er, you're flat-out wrong. It would do you more credit to just admit that and move on than keep up with this fake old "this is bizarre" ****.

 

I read both and simply disagree. I think that a punch thrown by a poor striker against a competent one landing and ****ing him up is a stroke of luck, nothing you can say is going to dissuade that because I understand the science of boxing and Serra's hands are **** making the odds of that happening again next to nil.

So, since you think that intention is the trump card here, if I attempt to hit RJJ and succeed that isn't luck, right? If I stand in a goal and block a penalty shot from Wayne Rooney it's not luck, right? I should just be keeping in the Premier League, huh?

Serra/GSP I was a fluke AND upset. Upset because it wasn't expected but fluke because it wouldn't happen again, ever. Edgar/Penn I was an upset but not a fluke because Edgar proved that he could put on an even better performance the second time around. YOU would credit yourself more by displaying an ability to comprehend the definitions he posted and apply them to sport without worrying about tarnishing a win that every decent MMA journo and analyst realizes was a fluke.

When you address my analogy and accept that me beating professional athletes at their game wouldn't be a fluke or a random stroke of luck then I'll accept your definition of the terms. If you wouldn't possibly credit me with otherworldly skill and athleticism were I to do those things, and you'd be a fool to do so, then my definition is correct and yours is wrong.:deal

 

If you cant understand the difference MM, then Im not employed to teach basic English on message boards. Ive made my point, all I can do

 

You disagree with dictionary definitions of words?

Good luck creating your own language then, we'll stick with good old English...




atsch

 

Same here. I've also run out of patience and interest with this obvious cretin.

 

Really, you people are this ******ed.

Fluke=stroke of good luck and the definition states so. There was luck involved in that punch landing as there would be if I was to hit Anderson or block Rooney's shot. It's not me trying to change the definition of the word but rather you trying to say that luck wasn't involved in the event in question. The fact that Serra couldn't come close to repeating that in the rematch AND hasn't managed to KO anyone else aside from a shot Trigg tells me that YOU are being a denier.

Type "fluke definition" into Google and the first result that pops up is;

fluke/flo͞ok/

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1. Unlikely chance occurrence, esp. a surprising piece of luck.
2. A parasitic flatworm (classes Trematoda and Monogenea, phylum Platyhelminthes) that typically has suckers and hooks for attachment to the host.

UNLIKELY CHANCE OCCURRENCE. That's what happened here, move along.

 

Well was it luck that Couture out wrestled Chuck for 15 minutes, but didnt come close to repeating the feat in the rematches?

 

No, because Couture had better reflexes and speed the first time and actually outboxed Chuck moreso than outwrestled him. He scored takedowns but only managed to hold him down the last time when he dumped him and pounded him out. In the rematches Couture tried the same strategy, standing with Chuck and then shooting or clinching when he had him thinking "box" but he wasn't quick enough to see the counters coming in the second and third matches. Still had enough to take him down in the rubber match, but once again he couldn't hold him and his chin couldn't hold up to that Iceman right.

So, the difference? Couture at one time had the physical gifts, speed, reflexes, and chin, and technical ability to make that plan work for him and Rampage managed to fight the exact same fight in his first fight with Chuck. Two fighters beating him the same way at about the same time tells us that it wasn't a fluke.

Secondly, Couture beat Chuck up for fifteen minutes and dominated him in every facet of the game. It wasn't like Chuck got hurt badly early and couldn't come back whereas GSP and Serra were trading evenly, ie neither was doing ****, until GSP tried to duck under the shorter Serra's hook and got hurt.

Totally different circumstances. Couture's win was based on all of his skills and it was drawn-out so there wasn't any chance of it being lucky. Serra won that fight and rejuvenated his dying career off of one sloppy punch.

 

Too bad this fight never happened in MMA. It would have been a good exciting fight while it lasted.

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I believe serra could have won it, though I think Gomi would be the favourite.

 

If Serra got him down he probably could have twisted him up because that was always Gomi's weakest point but I don't think Serra's takedowns were up to the task and Gomi definitely had the advantage standing. Serra's got power but Gomi had and still has a serious chin so the off-chance for Serra to win on the feet is as slim as getting Gomi to the mat.

 

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Well correct me if Im wrong, but Serra is using his reflexes and speed to hit an overhand over the top of GSP's jab, coming from out of Pierres field of vision, landing right on the button and Georges chin couldnt hold up

I dont see GSP trying to duck the punch and I dont see how the the overhand right, which to me looks less sloppy and a few of Liddels that kodded numerous fighters over the years including Randy, and the follow up left is at all sloppy, even if the technique in the hook is not textbook perfect admittedly

 

:thumbsup Agreed.

Serra would probably battle it out on the feet, we would see some good action. But the chance it goes to the ground would really add some depth to the fight.