Can a case be made for Hopkins as the best MW ever?

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  1. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I see a kind of "homemade" style that's slick and exciting, but has obvious flaws. A poor man's RJJ to be blunt.

    I think guys like Mercado, Echols, Trinidad and Joppy all are of pretty good quality. Just like Sibson, Antufuermo, Sibson and Hearns (who was spectacular and vulnerable at turns). Hagler's opponents probably looks a bit better, but then Hopkin's has the longevity and probably also the even greater dominance.
     
  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Only if a poor man's Roy Jones can be said to have fought the best of his era and had his granite chin tested.
     
  3. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Burley never fought Zale, Robinson, LaMotta or Cerdan. Graziano could possibly be thrown in there as well. Certainly not his fault, but still. He also didn't beat Bivins (edit) or Charles.
     
  4. McGrain

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    He did indeed beat Zivic, twice actually.

    I'll rephrase. Burley can only be said to be a poor man's Jones if a poor man's Jones fought many great fighters and had his granite chin confirmed.
     
  5. Bokaj

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    Meant Bivins of course. Had just shut off my computer when I realized my mistake.:twisted:

    No, he can be called "a poor man's Jones" if he looks it. His chin has nothing to with how he looks and Jones did look like "a rich man's Jones" against great fighters.
     
  6. McGrain

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    Yeah, his chin is important. He is able to take hard punches without folding - that is one of the most important aspects of how a fighter looks. Burley looks better getting hit hard against Smith than Jones does getting hit hard versus Antonio Tarver, for example.

    If you want to say Jones is better than Burley I think that's ok. He might be. On the other hand, that fight was arguably the most difficult either one of them took, and Burley dominates. He looks dominant against the biggest puncher either man met up until Jones took on Lebedev (unconscious again).

    Comparing them directly would be very difficult based on Burley's naturallly very conservative performance against such a concussive puncher. Speaking broadly, Burley looks less fast both in hand and foot-speed but equally as quick in terms of reaction times. He has just as many punches and throws them from very similar angles. In terms of one punch power I would guess it goes to Jones too, but p4p i'd perhaps give Burley the nod. His overall style probably made him just as difficult to work out, he had better punch resistance, was much more proven in terms of toughness and i'd give him the nod for strength too, certainly p4p.

    I think it's pretty close between them in terms of who had the better overall package, but I think Jones's speed gives him the overall appearance of being more "special."

    Burley is greater.
     
  7. Bokaj

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    When I commented on how he looked I meant styles and moves. Chin has nothing to do with that in my opinion. If I say that Nunn looks like a poor man's Ali, I make no reference to chin (even though his chin was a poor man's Ali as well:D)

    So: In styles and moves I think Burley looks like a poor man's Roy Jones in that clip, mainly because he lacks the speed and power (as you point out). He looks good, though, and I agree he looks like he could give just about anyone fits on his day.
     
  8. McGrain

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    He doesn't lack power.
     
  9. Bokaj

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    I said "lacks the speed and power", meaning a similar speed and power of Jones', not lacking speed and power in general.
     
  10. McGrain

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    Pound for pound i'd say he'd be right there with Jones for power...i don't think he'd be so devastating to super-middles though, he doesn't have that size basically.
     
  11. tommygun711

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    To be honest I don't think that is fair to the other great middleweights to rank Hopkins as the best ever even if he has the resume and skills to be up there.
     
  12. ripcity

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    A case can be made. He had a long regin and matchs up well (this dose not mean he beats everyone) with any middleweight. I think cases can be made for other middleweights that are more convincing. Such as Robinson and Monzoon.
     
  13. Bokaj

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    Why? Resume and skills would be the very factors of importance IMO.
     
  14. tommygun711

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    Because guys like Hagler and Monzon are clearly better then him in my opinion. Hagler has plenty of great names and is also a head to head monster and Monzon is the same.
     
  15. mcvey

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    No way!