Why did Hopkins not move up sooner?

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  1. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    This pretty much sums it up, I'm half suprised he's going in with Dawson, he really didn't want that fight before, maybe he saw cracks with Dawson against Pascal though
     
  2. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yep. When he was at his peak he was very, very good at controlling range even when he was extremely agressive. When he lost that ability is when his fights started to turn into these very scrappy affairs (Holmes, Joppy, Calzaghe to name a few). This is when his physical strength and ruthlessness in clinches really started to serve him well.
     
  3. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm sure his eyes lit up at the lack of mental toughness that Dawson displayed against Pascal. It should be one of his tougher fights, but I'd still favour him to grind it out, assuming no further degeneration sets in.
     
  4. PowerPuncher

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    The only thing with this is Holmes was the rangiest fighter he faced I think and a very effective out fighter, who wasn't so good inside. He looked pretty good against Holmes imo, he just figured he needed to make it an in fight. Joppy was also pretty quick outside and smaller so roughing him up made sense, that fight was fought at a high pace, but Hopkins wasn't quite as quick then, he certainly looked slower. Hopkins had to pay Joppy out on a bet that he'd stop Joppy and thats why he worked so hard to try and stop Joppy :D

    It was the third Allen fight where I thought Hopkins really slipped, but that was partly because he didn't wantto risk the DLH payday imo


    I think so, I think he would have aproached Taylor different if his stamina had been exposed earlier. Still Dawson has the same outboxing and speed advantages that Taylor had and more

    He fancied Bute too who seems good but limited, he certainly would have figured him out imo
     
  5. Imperial1

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    I thought he made his pro debuet at Lt Heavy ? How was 160 his natural weight ?
     
  6. lefthook31

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    I also have second doubts on this fight now given the lack of professionalism on Dawsons part. The guy is a loose cannon. I still think Steward will make the difference and Dawson should be able to win this one.
     
  7. Brighton bomber

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    He had just come out of prison and was not at his optimum weight.

    Hopkins regularly walked around at only a few pounds above the middleweight limit. He was clearly a natural middleweight for the majority of his career. How was he not a natural middleweight?

    The other option would mean he somehow kept himself in a constant state of dehydration for the 15 and a half years he campaigned as a middleweight which quite frankly is impossible without drastically effecting his performance, health and longevity.
     
  8. PowerPuncher

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    Well he did, he was around 170 in most the HBO weigh ins I've seen, it's not that hard to drop 10lbs of water, he was a big MW, not really a smaller man than Jones Jr or Cazlaghe
     
  9. manbearpig

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    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/3472415.stm

    There you go. It happened. Face it Hopkins sackswingers/Calzaghe haters
     
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  12. lefthook31

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    It is true Hopkins walked around just over 160 pounds, but he stays in the gym year round. He was often under the limit for his fights.
     
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