Dempsey vs Toney

Dempsey by wide decision. With Toney, as brilliant as he could be, if you could make him work for more than a minute a round you had him. Dempsey would to this. This is really a pretty easy one.

 

Same.

I'm more interested in the idea of Dempsey possibly being able to significantly hurt Toney. I'm wondering whether he could dent that diamond chin enough for any sort of knockout.

 

Yes.

 

With Toney's era gloves and rules expect Toney to put a clinic and do a number on Dempsey like he did Barkley , Holyfield , Charles Williams and Jirov (Toney would have stopped Jirov if it was a 15 rounder , not that I long for the return of 15 rounders)
Dempsey wouldn't have been half the puncher that he was with those gloves and the neutral corner law.
With Dempsey's era gloves and rules , expect Toney to be a lethal puncher , expect the first man flooring the other to stop him (which is why I also think Arnold Cream would have destroyed Dempsey). Flooring Toney was never an easy task , trading with him was never wise unless you're Tyson or Tua and Dempsey would be just tailor made for Toney whom was just too much for him. But then Dempsey wouldn't have fought Toney whom was/is black.

 

If Dempsey wore his gloves and Toney wore his it's anyones game.

 

dempsey in 2 or less, WTF is wrong with people trying to put down fighters they hate for whatever reasons (race, age they fought in, and whatever else) and denigrate them with stupidity like this? Hopkins against Marciano, Louis against Tarver, what idiocy.

 

none of those had any decent HW straps though, and Toney arguably does.

 

I think if Dempsey stops him it´s due to landing lots and lots of punches and inflicting terrible damage on Toney. His chin could be his downfall there taking a truely terrible beating.

Toney was a great fighter but Dempsey is a nightmare matchup for him. Faster of hands and feet, hard puncher with many angles, very agile. I think this would be the fight Jones-Toney would have been if Jones´would have been more aggressive minded. Just an aweful matchup for Toney.

Toney beat both Flynn and Miske, and the former probably rather easily. I also think the Toney of the Holy fight would beat the Willard of Toledo. Quite easily too.

 

I agree with the sentiment to a certain degree - these kind iof match up do seem somewhat ridiculous but then James Toney is a great great fighter in his own right too - obviously I'm not saying he was in the bracket that Dempsey is in - same goes for the above matches you mentioned as well but it's funny how fights go sometimes - some could be interesting if only for a round or two just to see how some of these middle weight types of more recent times would pit their skills with the more seasoned and bigger and murderous finisher's like these ATG heavyweight legends - sometimes even the very greatest have struggle (or maybe just not looked great) against guys you wouldn't have thought belonged in the ring with them) - for me though Dempsey beats Toney down - Toney fights risky sometimes and likes to think he's a bit of a macho man sometimes too - he would be in serious peril against Dempsey - Dempsey wouldn't mess about :good

 

Dempsey got outboxed by Miske, Tunney and Meehan, Toney of 2003 could outbox Dempsey but Dempsey could pressure him if he keeps it an in fight and give Toney problems with his workrate, but he can forget about landing those wide hooks or having any success on the outside. It would probably be a Toney-Jirov type fight and it could go either way, Toney's quality and defense versus Dempsey's workrate

Dempsey lost to worse fighters than Toney, was outboxed by inferior boxers and Toney hasn't been close to being stopped in his career, taking punches from 250lb men way past his prime

 

Hm, why pointing out that Dempsey lost to inferior fighters without highlighting that Toney lost to inferior fighters than Dempsey?

And I knew the Jirov comparison would come. As if Dempsey would be anything like Jirov ... much, much, much better.

Difference is, Dempsey is not a fat slob who would land one, two hard punches in a round. He would land 1-2 hard punches every 5 seconds. :thumbsup

 

1. The fighters Dempsey lost to had traits similar to Toney, the fighters Toney lost to were little like Dempsey and often it was due to him not being in shape, this is a best versus best type scenario

2. Jirov and Barkley are the most similar men Toney faced, Tunney, Prime Miske are maybe the most similar men Dempsey faced. Dempsey was also very open to jabs and right hands - Brennan/Firpo/Tunney all got their right hands off very clean, so would Toney, Tunney dominated with his jab, Toney too has a very good jab and when it came inside is probably the best in fighter Dempsey ever faced

3. He didn't land 1-2 punches every 5seconds against Tunney, Meehan or Prime Miske, he wouldn't against Toney either. Toney took allot of punches from Peter and Jirov, his chin and durability is ATG type stuff

 

Ah, so best vs. best? Well, then why are you then taking the Dempsey of the Miske or Tunney fight and not the one from Toledo? :think

Jirov and Barkley are nothing like Dempsey, the only thing they´ve got in common is that they put on pressure.
And Toney is now similar to Tunney? What? :shock: What?

No, he didn´t but a 4 rounder, a bad night - which he still won - and two past it fights aren´t really the one to go by when we use the best vs best comparison like you pointed out we should use, are they?
Toney´s chin and durability are great but he´d suffer in this fight due to it.

The Jones fight showed what a fighter with speed, power and mobility could do to Toney. Dempsey has all of that too, he´s just bigger, offensive and more relentless. Toney was great, no doubt, but here he would get beaten up and getting stopped.