"The Greatest" H2H

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  1. Son of Gaul

    Son of Gaul Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    What made Larry Holmes so dangerous was that he had more than just the best jab ever. He had an atg right cross, a sublime uppercut, a thudding lead right and extraordinary heart. This total package is what makes him such a tough matchup for most of the guys on this list...except Tyson.
     
    Son of Gaul, Aug 29, 2010
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  2. tommygun711

    tommygun711 The Future Full Member

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    ****ing dumbass..
     
    tommygun711, Aug 29, 2010
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  3. SenorRamirez

    SenorRamirez Active Member Full Member

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    No Norton ? No Foreman ? hm
     
    SenorRamirez, Jul 26, 2011
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  4. RockyJim

    RockyJim Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The swarmers...Marciano..and of course Joe Frazier...
     
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  5. Kalasinn

    Kalasinn ♧ OG Kally ♤ Full Member

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    Norton makes sense, because of his style, despite only beating a poorly conditioned Ali in the first fight, & a Shot Ali in the third fight, Norton was still competitive with Ali in the second fight, despite only taking 5 rounds. Of course, Ali of Norton II wasn't exactly a Peak Ali (it might've been the best Past-Prime version though), but then i'm told Norton wasn't at his best until '76 against Shot Ali.

    Foreman is a ridiculous choice. Against a 32 year old Past-Prime Ali, a Peak Foreman didn't win a single round, was stunned by righthands several times & was KO'd.
     
    Kalasinn, Jul 26, 2011
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  6. kmac

    kmac On permanent vacation Full Member

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    for my 1000th post. i think a prime holmes give a prime ali the most fits. holyfield deserves mention here too. it's ridiculous how little respect evander gets in the classic section.
     
    kmac, Jul 26, 2011
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  7. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    For me louis is the greatest h2h heavyweight in history so I pick him above ali. After that i'd say frazier since he proved stylewise he'd always give ali trouble, as did norton.
     
    lufcrazy, Jul 26, 2011
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  8. Jorodz

    Jorodz watching Gatti Ward 1... Full Member

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    a fit, ready and determined vander (douglas fight) gives fits potentially to any heavyweight ever. he achieved his biggest glories after bulking up but i think at 205-210 he was a ****ing machine
     
    Jorodz, Jul 26, 2011
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  9. kmac

    kmac On permanent vacation Full Member

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    agreed, i think on a given night, evander could have beat any heavy that ever stepped in the ring.
     
    kmac, Jul 26, 2011
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  10. SenorRamirez

    SenorRamirez Active Member Full Member

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    Ali say that Norton beat him at he was in great shape ;=)
    im sure norton is one of of ali´s nightmares

    A yong foreman can beat ali,but only with correct dopes^^

    Or a prime Sonny liston ;=/
     
    SenorRamirez, Jul 26, 2011
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  11. round15

    round15 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Foreman was actually ahead in the scorecards in Zaire. He was the one throwing the bombs even though most landed on Ali's arms, hips and a couple of shots to the body. To say that Foreman didn't win a round in Zaire is not accurate at all.
     
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  12. Kalasinn

    Kalasinn ♧ OG Kally ♤ Full Member

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    Strange scorecards, they must have liked Foreman throwing crude swings which Ali blocked on his gloves & often countered...

    I think you could give Foreman one round, if you are generous.
     
    Kalasinn, Jul 26, 2011
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  13. Swarmer

    Swarmer Patrick Full Member

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    Joe Louis; he's generally the complete package physically and technically, would do well in eras with shorter or longer fights, and has demonstrated dominance over a long period.
     
    Swarmer, Jul 26, 2011
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  14. SenorRamirez

    SenorRamirez Active Member Full Member

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    foreman throwing alis arms....but ali stay only on the ropes or holding foreman...
     
    SenorRamirez, Jul 26, 2011
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  15. round15

    round15 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Agree with you to a certain degree.

    I believe Frazier would have caught the 1960's Ali. Yes, the younger Ali was quicker and had better reflexes but the common misconception is that he danced for fifteen rounds against his opponents. This is not true. 1960's never danced for an entire fifteen round fight, but it's not like he wasn't moving his feet.

    Ali was always susceptible to the left hook. That was one of his flaws. Frazier's left hook probably doesn't land as frequently as the FOTC like you say but he wouldn't find this Ali that much harder to hit. Joe would probably finish Ali where Henry Cooper didn't. Same with Norton. His style always gave Ali fits but I can see the younger Ali earning a split decision against him which could go either way.
     
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