Why do people compare old time fighters to modern day fighters when they. . .

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  1. Bub

    Bub Boxing Addict Full Member

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    People said Pacquiao lunges & lacks skill yet he still whipes the floor with so called skillful boxers.
     
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  2. madmanc3210

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    to be honest mate i dont do list because it is all superficial.you can pick fighter a who is lightweight from 1940 and compare him to fighter b who is a heavyweight from 2000.i mean the likes of harry greb people will say he is top 10 without doubt and wont consider someone from today could ever take his place. Look at pac from today he has cleaned everyone out over 8 divisions or in old times 3 divisions hes fighting men who are half a foot bigger than him and slaughtering them yet it is impossible for him to crack the top 10.dont get me wrong fighters beat bigger fighters in the old days but not fighters who where as technically gifted as fighters are today and not fighters who trained for 3 months for the fight.its like i said earlier the reason fighters had those records in times gone by is because they where allowed to fight people with little to no experience at the top level
     
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  4. Bub

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  5. madmanc3210

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    you beat me??
    At what exactly lol.
    That is the most stupid thing i ever heard even people where telling you a few threads ago i was winding you up and you where so ****in stupid and funny to wind up i kept creating more.im more of a hatton fan m8 hence the "madmanc" and never really enjoyed watching calzaghe as he never threw a proper punch since he fought eubank
     
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  6. madmanc3210

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    of course he is,its only natural its called evolution.listen im just saying you cant compare basically but to class the more inferior fighters of the past as unsurpassable by todays fighters is stupid
     
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  7. Meast

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    That's fair enough about making lists, it can be tricky with so much to consider.

    Back in the 20's /30's/40's/50's you had 3-4 times as many pro boxers, the competition was a lot more fierce than it is nowadays. It's very hard for a modern boxer to really crack most peoples top 10 due to fighting 1-2 times a year and against a much smaller crop of boxers.

    You mention Pac fighting bigger men (which is true in recent years) but you'll find most of the fighters at the top of a p4p list have beaten much bigger men. It's also unfair to claim they weren't as skilled, the fundamentals were very much the same from the late 30's onwards with fighters fighting in very similar styles to today's crop.

    I'd quite like to see what you mean by old fighters fighting guys with little to no experience at the top level, anyone's record spring to mind?
     
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  8. GDG

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    If this is true then I wonder how a 45 year old George Foreman (who took 10 years off boxing) was able to come back and win a world title in the era of Holyfield, Bowe, Tyson and Lewis....yet was beaten in his prime by an aged Ali??

    Not sure if you're arguing about fighters pre 1940 but it does sort of put this argument into context.
     
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  9. madmanc3210

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    pick any fighter from your top 20 atg pre 1950 and look at their records and you will probably see my point.
    Im not having a dig at fighters from the past they had defining fights against quality opposition which made them great but the 100 plus wins on a record that makes then unsurpassable today is stupid.line 10 duck eggs a week up for pac or mayweather and they will plow through them no danger
     
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    To be fair he had a fairly easy way to the title and got beaten steadily by Holyfield when they met.

    I can't see him beating any of the other top guys from the era.
     
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  11. GDG

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    Whilst your argument has some merit I would say that because of the weight restrictions in boxing, the evolution of sport argument that is undeniable in football, basketball, rugby etc, becomes redundant.

    Ultimately both Ricky Hatton and Aaron Pyror are 140lbs, why should we beleive Hatton would have beaten him because he was born later??

    Again, see my George Foreman point above......
     
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    He beat the champ...the man who had just beaten Holyfield.

    Plus he was so far removed from his best it was unreal. Are we saying that 70's Foreman wouldn't have been able to compete in this era, but fat 90's Foreman could win a world title???
     
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  13. GDG

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    This is true and is an issue for me also. But it's not totally prohibitive.

    SRL and Pea are both very highly ranked in ATG standings without having numerous amounts of fights, so it's not the be-all and end-all.
     
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  14. madmanc3210

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    Henry armstrong and srr are 2 of my top 3 for sure if i was to do a list but not because of the 100 and odd wins on their records but who they beat along the way. Armstrong winning 3 title in 3 classes when there was only 8 was astounding. Pac has done it over a career he did it over a year cant knock that
     
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  15. madmanc3210

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    he would have beaten floyd patterson aswell for me,but moorer beat a faded holyfield and foreman was dominated by moorer till he got caught.most fighters if caught by foreman are goin down
     
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