Calzaghe must be top 10 atg ?

robin reid disagrees.

calzaghe swept the first 4...reid had a point deducted...

even giving the challenger every close rd i don't see reid winning.

 

Lol why would I care what robin reid thinks when it's my own opinion of how I score a fight?

My rbr card is deep within my posting history somewhere.

I think I had it 7-5 reid with a point taken off him. Someone said they remember my card and I gave joe rounds 1-4 and round 12.

Apparently joe broke his hand or damaged it in the 4th which explains why he suddenly looked a lot worse.

I'm content that joe is the better fighter but on that night using the 4 criteria I gave it reid. A rematch was in order.

 

well...he might be a fairly good judge of how he did.

& seeing as how i'm only on this lame troll thread cos someone said that calzaghe lost to reid...like it was a fact...when even robin reid thinks he lost...then it seems fair to bring that up.

then i hate to be offensive...but you can't score a fight.

& you have given EVERY close rd to the challenger. & rd 8 apparently even...so without the point deduction calzaghe would have lost that rd? really? :huh

& a rematch was in order...cos it was a good fight more than anything else. shame reid turned it down really.

i scored it 116-111 btw. just like the judges. i am convinced to this day that the judge that scored it 116-111 to reid got the fighters mixed up cos that scorecard is impossible.

 

This shows you are trying to be bias you fools can be. With Reid, most agree, Calzaghe won the first 4 rounds and I remember you agreed with me Lufc that Calzaghe won round 12, you also know Reid had a point deducted. So you think Reid won all of the other 7 rounds in between . Explain how you think Calzaghe lost round 8 could you atsch. There were other rounds I felt Calzaghe won and with the point deduction, work it out. Same applys to Majinjohn. I had Calzaghe a clear winner like the other 2 judges. All of the studio guests had Calzaghe 116-111 except for McCrory who scored even and later changed his mind.

As for Hopkins Majinjohn just look at the facts

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1. Calzaghe landed more than 100 punches than Hopkins throughout the fight.
2. Contrary to what people want to believe, Calzaghe also made Hopkins miss more
3. All round punch percentages, Calzaghe finished ahead of Hopkins
4. Calzaghe outlanded Hopkins in every round
5. A Byrd who scored for Hopkins it appears has a history for bad scorecards. Type in Adalaide Byrd in Google and see what comes up for yourself, still here are some little things for you to look at
a. A Byrd was the only judge out of the 3 scoring judges that had Mack ahead against Cloud
b. The K Pavlik - A Lopez fight was scored 98-92, 99-91 by the other 2 judges, A Byrd scored it 95-95
c. A Byrd was one of the judges that had Morales a 4 point loser against Maidana
d. In the S Aydin vs S Ouali fight, the other 2 judges scored clearly for Aydin. Byrd scored for Ouali
e. The J Almaraz/C Tyler fight was scored a Maj-Dec all because of one judge, guess which? A Byrd
f. The A DeMarco/J Reyes fight was a SD. Guess who the odd judge out was? A Byrd.
g. The R Torres - M Arnaoutis fight was a close fight, a point either way to 2 judges but a wide result scored by Byrd
h. In the A Pryor Jr/D Stanislavjevic SD, guess who the odd judge out was? You guessed it... A Byrd
i. The W Ferguson/J Lopez SD, guess who the odd judge out was? You guessed it... A Byrd

I think thats enough for you to get the picture with Byrd. Remember the other 2 judges scored clearly for Calzaghe

6. Calzaghe beat Hopkins in America, at a new weight with 3 American judges and Cortez as ref.
7. Calzaghe scored the single highest score card against Hopkins ever 116-111.
8. The 2 judges that scored for Calzaghe agreed on 9 of the rounds
9. Calzaghe landed more on Hopkins than anyone ever.

Now I know there will be a flood of people coming on here noting Hopkins scoring a flash KD in the first round, and I agree that Hopkins did win a few rounds even when he didnt land as often, but people are mad if they think Calzaghe won on workrate, Calzaghe won because he was able to land his left more often than Hopkins could land his right.
Calzaghe finished the stronger and took away the moments Hopkins likes down the stretch.
Other thoughts, If Hopkins thought he was winning, do you think he would have been looking for time out and would bother trying to get points deducted off of Calzaghe, of course he wouldnt, Hopkins knew he was losing.

 

Lufc I know you are trying to avoid my posts, but answer this. How do you think the winner of the S6 will have a better resume than Calzaghe?

 

He might or might not be a good judge, but when i'm scoring and giving my own opinion then noone else's opinion really makes a blind bit of difference.

Whether I can score a fight to your satisfaction is completely irrelevant because i'm not a said judge and you're not a quality control monitor.

As I said my full analysis is somewhere in my posting history but from memory I got a distinct feeling that after 4 the fight changed pattern, this was later justified when I discovered he had a hand injury suffered in the 4th round

 

Just try and find an answer Luf. You think Calzaghe won rounds 1-4 and round 12 you agreed with me Calzaghe won. Now try and be honest and answer how you scored round 8 for Reid. Remember the point deduction also. Theres no real way you could have honestly scored for Reid

 

I most recently scored the fight a long time ago as i'm sure bailey remembers because it was him I debated it with on his thread. This was many months ago. My rbr is in my posting history.

Round 8, is that the one were joe wobbled reid right at the end? I remember thinking that reid was clearly winning the round and still deserved the edge. Again my post history would have to checked to confirm because i'm speaking from memory.

I believe that froch beat mikel and dirrell. Add victories over reid, pascal, taylor, abraham and ward and i'd say his top 7 is better than joe's was at smw.

Ward would have beaten miranda, green, bika, abraham, mikel and froch. Again I believe that top 6 is better than joe's top 6 at smw.

At that stage it's debatable. If the winner goes on to beat bute and mikel (assuming they're the two beltholders by then) the debate is defunct imo.

 

yeah. well calaghe CLEARLY won more than 2 rds after rd 4...which would give him a win...& i would score a few of those close rds to him as well.

i may not be a quality control monitor on your scoring but that doesn't mean that i can't point out when it's blatant & obvious bull****. :hi:

 

As great as Calzaghe resume is it doesn't do him justice.

 

You can point out whatever you want the great thing about boxing is how subjective it is.

I've watched this fight for scoring purposes and already debated it in the past, I have no real desire to go over it again. If you really want to you can find my rbr analysis in my history.

But as well as oscar-tito
Oscar-mosley 2
Sturm-oscar
Martinez-williams
Leonard-hagler
Paulie-diaz
Lara-williams
Martinez-cintron
Holyfield-valuev
Ruiz-valuev
Winky-simon
Winky-vargas
Winky-taylor
Hopkins-taylor 1
Froch-kessler
Hearns-leonard 2
Kot-alexander
Matthyse-alexander
Matthyse-judah
Lewis-holyfield 1
Holmes-spinks2
Holmes-mccall
Mitchel-hopkins
Schmeling-sharkey2
Rahman-tua2
Reid-ottke
Toney-peter1
Pea-chavez
Pea-rodriguez 1
Tarver-johnson
Morales-diaz
Morales-maidana


And some others i've probably forgotten, they're the list of fights were i'm content in saying the wrong man won.

I'll soon be rewatching floyd-castillo and hopkins v joe to rescore them and get a more definitive opinion on the fights.

 

As weak as Calzaghe's resume is, it doesn't reflect his talent. I think that's more in line with what you meant. At least realisitically.

 

i don't care to go through your posting history.

& if you think reid won that fight i don't give a **** about your opinions on how any fight was scored. :thumbsup

 

Then the issue has come to an end.

Likewise

 

for ****s sake :rofl