What does Wlad need to do to be ranked higher than Holyfield, Frazier, Foreman?

Klitschko has never been one punch KO'd. you should watch some of his fights before commenting, he's actually not too bad.

 

I've watched several of his fights. He got dropped by Sanders with one clean left hand. Yeah, he got up but it just happenned again.

Do you really think that would happen to any of the other guys?

 

Could've happened to any of them, Holyfield was nearly KO'd by Cooper, Foreman was sloppy as hell and wide open for quick counters.

 

He could try and not spend his whole career NOT fighting the number 2 rated heavyweight.
Not his fault - But it's not Joe Fraziers fault either -Its not Vitalis fault either.

BUT it is the elephant in the room, when considering his ATG placing
Vlad will never truly prove himself the dominant force of this era whilst not fighting Vitali.
Not his fault - Not his brothers - Blame his Mother!!!

 

Ride out the next 4 or 5 years as champion, beating every one that comes up along the way. Even then it would be debatable, but by the looks of it there simply isn't going to be another genuinely great heavyweight before Wlad retires, so he can't really hope to match their top wins. He'll have to rely heavily on dominance and a relatively deep if unspectacular resume.

 

How many actual fighter have fought their brothers or relatives in the ring?? Not in normal life over stupid ****.
I'm sure some of us would cause were all a lot less well of then them, and it's possible it happen 100 years ago when it was needed just to earn the money to feed their family's. But I can't really think of any of the top of my head.

Hasn't Wlad beaten enough (considering Wlad is Champ, and vitali is #1 ranked or just co Champs) the next highest ranked guys out there. Whether it be #2#3 ranked.. If Vitali wasn't around then he'd be destroying all the guys rated#1, like he all ready is. All these guys like Ibrag,Byrd,Chagaev,Haye,Chambers would have been ranked there.

 

Even when he beats Haye #2 ranked by ring and belt holder, very decisively. And as a pretty slim favorite, or underdog in England betting lines. And highly regarded as the one person

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enough to stop him. Some one who had most the boxing fans split on who would win. He get's no credit cause he didn't KO the guy.

It's basically like what Floyd said in the recent Face Off with Ortiz. The other guys have nothing to lose, and he has everything, No credit when he wins cause he is always expected to, and should he lose then he was always ****.

Hey, but when he retires and the belts are changing hands every year or so, and there are 4 champs with names changing so fast you can't remember who was champ it will lose even more merit.

 

Vitali really has stole Wlads thunder Vitali retired during his time in the sun Wlad just began his moment and then Vitali came back preventing Wlad from facing some guys and unifying all the belts and faster

For Wlad to pass guys like Holyfield Frazier Foreman I dont know

Well Wlads legacy is like Holmes not centered or built on one truly great stand alone win but consitent domination of top ranked guys

He usually gets the stoppage has reigned for a while and has been the number 1 guy since like 05

Working against him are three stoppage losses to guys way below his caliber

he did not dazzle in his biggest fights

considered glass jawed

considered to be in a very weak era

Holyfield- Great Cruiser probably number 1 all time or 2, at heavy a 4 time champ fights on into his 40s and continues to win just not in the title shots, he is a funny case he would lose look done have health issues look done and ruled out but would have miraculous comebacks when said to be done, wrecked Tyson conqueror Douglas, wrecked Tyson in a major upset

issues lost to Bowe twice, lost to Lewis and got a draw many believed he lost, has an unsettled series with Ruiz, KO'd by Toney, lost to Ibragimov, lost to Donald and looked so bad his liscense was taken away

great fighter just has a lot of negatives but some great positives

Frazier- great fighter tough guy great swamer pressure fighter hell of a left

one title reign that lasted a good while was the force after Ali and was out of the tournament but was the favorite unified after

Not the best title reign beat guys like Stander and some other journeyman but is immortalized for his Ali win that alone makes him great, also his win over Foster was great

working against him didnt have a lot of fights after winning the title and kind of gained weight after beating Ali and was never quite the same

Foreman- great first career but what he really is immortalized for is his comeback without his comeback he would never have been rated so highly

Wlad can probably pass holy but frazier no though maybe possible i doubt it frazier is a loved great, foreman no way

 

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All he has to do is retire and wait a few years.

Wlad as a champion has already surpased all three on that list.

 

Klitschko Klitschko after 2 or 3 more for these guys.

If You wanna beat the best you gotta fight the best out there..

Klitschko beats V.Klitschko w/out doubt I'd put him in my top 12-15....

He would have to beat some more of these guys though...Longetivity i his friend..2 or 3 and then put the brothers in with each other!!

 

Very true.

 

The Dougals Holyfield beat had clearly lost interest in the sport and retired for 6 years after, let alone weighing in at over 15lbs more then against Tyson. He beat a 42 year old Foreman, who if you had any boxing skill and combos and could move you'd win, just like Morrison, and a controversial Schulz decision. The Bowe fights were all time classics. Beat a Tyson that was 6 years after he lost to Douglas and 5 years spent in Jail. Should have lost both fights to Lewis. But I admit he still has some good names on his resume and he status as ATG and ATG cruiserweight is not in question.

Frazier another ATG, beat Ali once and has few other great names on his resume. I wish his eye wasn't blind cause he would won the 3rd fight vs. him too. Which also put an end to his career, along with some of the punishment he took. So one victory over the ATG is enough.

Foreman cause he belted on an already blind Frazier across the ring, beat Norton, lost to Ali. Then made a comeback and most notable wins are against Dwight Muhammad Qawi, Cooney, and 1-2 that beat Moore. Makes him that much greater. What if Vitali retires again or Wlad does once, and they comeback at 46 and do the same. Does that automatically make them jump that far ahead the rest the pack as ATG? Vitali also had previously retired for 4 years and done the same.

It's funny that you mention these 3 names, and it sounds like I'm detracting from them, but I'm only trying to counter your argument. But they really are in my top 5 or so favorite heavyweights, with the Klitschko's.

Ahhh...... I know that last part ^ sounds like a "Jack" statement, but it's true

 

2 more years/a few more defenses will get him there for sure by me. I start counting from his win against Byrd in 2006, so he's already been on top for 5 years. Add in 10 defenses, unifying the belts one by one, and barely losing a round in the process on top of a pretty good career prior to it, and that's enough to give him the edge.