Giant Killers

I agree, but there have been obvious examples of weight being added effectivley.

Michael Spinks was essentialy the pioneer, and Holyfield did it to good effect.

 

PP is right; a successful bulk is in it's own way as difficult as cutting uncomfortably to reach a limit. You gotta have the right frame, nutrition, and conditioning and even then you might just have put on a lot of flab.

The original bulking pioneers were Langford and McLarnin :deal

 

Well maybe he could hurt him, not sure because Haye took Wlads right hand. But the thing is I don't see him landing his left because it's a short counter left not a long 1, Bute gives up his height, that's a weakness and Haye is an out fighting counter puncher and Bute isn't getting past the jab or right

I'll look up the John L thread, I'm enjoying slumming it with blends like Teachers and Famous Grouse at the moment

 

the best cheap scotch blend is:

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Like 20$ here in the US and it's fantastic.

Haye doesn't have much of a pressuring jab or sharpshooting straight punching tbh. I reckon he'd engage more like in his cruiserweight because of Bute's size.

 

the focus was on the Bigmen (and the money), it wasn't simply good enough to be among the best at your own weight, but stepping up was the order of the day - for all weights... this was the case untill about the mid - late 50s, a few years after the war life was beginning to become easier & accessable, this also changed boxing overall in numbers, quality and interest as it started to wane considerably.

again it was the done thing and it goes back to the very beginning with only a few weights, then 6, then 8... it is also these same old world normal everyday occurances and expectations that bred such great fighters. The Mindset of the times thats just what you did, nobody questioned it, you just got on with it, and the Top fighters did it and were allowed/expected to do so - so too the fans loved it, expected it and went feverish for such matches!

just the way it was, the psyche of the times, and great times and fighters did it breed, they had to be or they wouldn't have made a living at all.

 

Walker preferred fighting the big guys, saying they were slower and less skilled. I think it´s mostly a mindset. See what Walker thought and that pople are nowadays are astonished when a fighter takes on a bigger man toe to toe and comes out on top - recently Erdei did that when he gave up nearly 20 pounds to Fragomeni. He had to go toe to toe after the fourth round since he was in bed with the flue the week before the fight and wasn´t fully recovered b fight time. Nevertheless he won and everybody reacted surprised and astonished about that schievement.

Size really doesn´t mean as much as many people think but in the head of most people it get´s traqnsformed into an unsurmountable obstacle. IMO that has to do with the shallowness today, people take a glance see a big guy, full of muscle and think they can´t beat him, instead of looking for and thinking about how to beat him. Anyway, probably not the only reason but thought worthy to think about.

 

Never came across black bottle here, I replied to the Sullivan thread. We'll a agree to disagree on Bute and see how he comes along, he needs to get a move on

Fragomeni was only Euro level or B Class at best. 20lbs isn't that much, many fighters have given up that much weight, Mayweather and Pacquaio have at lower weight classes.

When the weight gets more than that and someone actually has the skill to take advantage of their weight, it becomes very hard for a smaller man