Was 2009 Manny Pacquiao 1 of those special fighters like 1994 RJJ & 1989 Sweet Pea?

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  1. horst

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    Just re-watched Pacquiao's two fights from 2009 again...


    - dealing Ricky Hatton his first defeat at Ricky's prime, natural fighting weight of 140lbs with a sensational three-knockdown domination culminating in one of the sweetest, coldest KOs of the modern era in only the 2nd round

    then

    - making a mockery of natural weight and size disadvantages to utterly devastate and destroy WBO welterweight champion Miguel Cotto, finally forcing the stoppage in the last round after dominating Cotto throughout in a way no-one else has replicated


    And after reviewing the footage, I really think Manny was at his absolute zenith as a fighter then, and deserves recognition as being one of those fighters who really hit a special peak that saw him operating on a higher plain for a time.


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    It reminds me of Roy Jones Jr in 1994, when he became the only man to stop the teak-tough Thomas Tate and took the zero of the great James Toney in an alarmingly one-sided fight, and of Pernell Whitaker in 1989, when he gained revenge over Jose Luis Ramirez with one of the all-time great defensive performances then produced a sublime display to shut out game Greg Haugen.

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    What do you guys think, was the Manny of 2009 a special fighter on this level?

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  2. MAG1965

    MAG1965 Loyal Member banned

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    absolutely.
     
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  3. Ripper11

    Ripper11 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Still would have lost to Floyd
     
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  4. hennyguzzla

    hennyguzzla Active Member Full Member

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    It WAS NOT Hatton's first loss - Floyd took Ricky's 0!
     
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  5. hennyguzzla

    hennyguzzla Active Member Full Member

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    More like Toney/Ruiz-level...
     
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  6. JMP

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    You can certainly make a case. He got hit more than Jones and Whitaker, but thanks to his footspeed and reflexes, he didn't get hit too much. Offensively, he was incredible in those two fights. It was like Pacquiao was fighting in a different dimension. I think the thing against Pac is that neither Cotto and especially Hatton are sure-fire hof fighters, but then again, neither is JLR or Haugen.

    He's lost a noticeable amount of handspeed and footspeed since then and his timing and fluidity isn't as good. He definitely was at the peak of his career and a really special fighter.
     
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  7. Gander Tasco

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    of course.
     
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  8. horst

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    Try reading the post properly dude:

     
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  9. bknystl

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    This^
     
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  10. DobyZhee

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    in 2009? you're smokin' crack. there's a reason floyd took a 'tuneup' in 2009 to come out of retirement and NOT face the Pacman.
     
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  11. horst

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    Got an actual answer to the question set, or just going to be a boring fanboy? :think
     
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  12. Gander Tasco

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    no, he wouldn't have. If that were true, floyd who have fought him already and beaten him. Floyd wasn't confident enough in himself to make that fight happen, and he knows boxing better then you do. I'd still pick Pacquiao to beat Floyd.

    I have a hunch after the ORtiz fight everyone's opinions are going to shift aftter that. If Ortiz does what he's supposed to do he'll expose Floyd's achilles heel which is aggressive southpaws.
     
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  13. djrock247

    djrock247 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    True, but Hatton's O was perhaps the most insignificant, non relevant, unimpressive O's since...well, since Floyd's!
     
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  14. Nopporn

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    "Floyd wasn't confident enough in himself to make that fight happen" Exactly! Floyd Jr. got caught by Mosley's clean punches in round 2, and what's gonna happen to him if the one who hits him like that is Manny Pacquiao?:lol:
     
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  15. horst

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    Luis Collazo had already proved that Hatton was not comfortable or particularly effective at 147. Beating him at ww was no great achievement, beating him at his natural, comfortable, best fighting weight was more meaningful.
     
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