Lots of great fighters lose fights. Toney was out-shoeshined by Jones who took advantage of his badly dehydrated condition. That's on Toney, certainly, but that wasn't Toney's best that night. You could make a good case that Toney won the first Peter fight, say what you will now, but Peter was a top five heavy at that time. The fact is that he took those fights and didn't duck. Other fighters of his time wouldn't go near Toney. See: Benn, Hopkins, Eubank, Collins, etc.
yes, also the sky is blue, water is wet and so on. What else is in the news? What I meant is that you don't list losses on an "achievements" list OK
Wasn't an "acheivements" list. Simply a list of quality fighters who Toney fought. Omit those two names and his career is still amazing, even with the lost years in the mid to late 90s.
Be a better match than Tony Tubbs, Pinklon Thomas, Tyrell Biggs, Tony Tucker, Michael Spinks, an ancient Larry Holmes, Frank Bruno, or Carl Williams.
No? Even at 215 Toney is better than that list. Toney's absolute best weight was 190-195, he'd have a chance even at that weight.
Speculation, man. A > B > C equations don't work in boxing and you should know that. Toney could be better than any of those guys by a long shot and still get sparked in one minute when he got in there with Tyson.
I do get that, and that's why I gave a stylistic argument that Toney might fare better than you think. No one ever sparked Toney at any weight, he has one hell of a chin. He's one of the calmest and most confident you'll ever see. Those guy on that list all crapped themselves before the first bell had even rung. Toney would not. What you have to do to beat Tyson is weather the onslaught, be slick and counter his ass off as he becomes progressively frustrated. Toney would have a chance to do that. Why do you think he wouldn't? Just saying, oh Toney sucks, he'd get killed, is a stupid argument. Bonecrusher Smith and Tony Tucker both took the young, ferocious Tyson to a decision, with Toney's skill set and iron chin you could see a scenario where that could happen with Toney winning a lot of rounds.
Toney had one hell of a chin but he went down like the rest of them on one well placed punch to the chin from Reggie Johnson. We're talking prime Tyson here who was a fast starter, an explosive starter one might say, and Toney was never known to be a great mover. A scenario where Tyson gets up close and personal with Toney and wacks him out of there simply from being the much stronger man with faster, heavier hands and murderous power, is just as likely as any other