James Toney - id have beaten Tyson prime

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  1. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    I wouldn't have minded seeing it, to be honest.
     
  2. emanuel_augustus

    emanuel_augustus Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Not a "mover" per se, but extremely adept at taking the string off punches in very close quarters and knowing how to blunt an opponent's aggression. In fact, that really is Toney's best skill. Guys that came swarming straight at him found themselves getting slipped and tagged repeatedly with counter right hands. Maybe Tyson steamrolls in a couple rounds. If he doesn't and the frustrated version of Tyson emerges, Toney could easily seize control with his skill. Tyson never had a plan B.
     
  3. Rudolph

    Rudolph Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Maybe, maybe not, it's all speculation.
    BTW, there was much more to Tyson than just swarming. He was a top notch boxer with exellent skills above all else. P4P #1 for a reason.
     
  4. Dojo

    Dojo The Animal Full Member

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    If Lights Out had half the dedication of most fighters his resume would be untouchable.
    He's a lock for the HOF despite being a ****ing slob....respect.
     
  5. emanuel_augustus

    emanuel_augustus Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think "top notch boxer with excellent skills" is inaccurate. Tyson was a bob and weave power puncher with no jab speak of and really no plan B if couldn't bomb you out. His style was very effective and suited his body type, but Tyson's main weapon was his ungodly power and his willingness to constantly attack. Most fighters withered under his speed of delivery and that crushing power.

    When the invincibility was gone, Tyson did not have the skill set to adapt and adjust. He stuck to this formula for his entire career much to his detriment. It worked against his lesser opposition, but he struggled when in with truly skilled boxers. See Douglas, Holyfield, Lewis, and even some in the Ruddock fights. That's why I think Toney would have possibly given him trouble.
     
  6. chitownfightfan

    chitownfightfan Loyal Member Full Member

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    Someone post a pic of Buster Mathis Jr and James Toney side by side..Please.:lol::lol:
     
  7. Joe.Boxer

    Joe.Boxer Chinchecker Full Member

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    Complete nonsense.

    No, he'll get in the HOF mainly for his achievements before he started having weight issues.

    so stfu you mindless noob.
     
  8. slugger3000

    slugger3000 You Mad Bro? Full Member

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    Toney would beat mikes ass right now but in mikes prime??
     
  9. bigchef80

    bigchef80 New Member Full Member

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    tyson would kick is asss, guys cant belive you even think he would beat mike, lmao:rofl, nexttttttttttttttttttttttttt
     
  10. the_truth

    the_truth Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Mike will still whip that ass and even Samuel Peter for the third time:lol:
     
  11. igotJUIC3

    igotJUIC3 Boxing Junkie banned

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    Better Boxer = Toney

    Who'd I put my money on = Tyson
     
  12. Bubba

    Bubba Hey, It's Enrico Pallazzo! Full Member

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    I couldn't understand everything that Toney was saying.

    He is punch drunk.

    He should stop fighting ASAP.
     
  13. Reppin501

    Reppin501 The People's Champ Full Member

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    I understand the "logic" some are trying to use but "prime" Tyson? Tyson of the Spinks fight ****s Toney up, no doubt in my mind.
     
  14. Antsu

    Antsu Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Actually Tyson had very good jab, what he used effectively while closing the distance
     
  15. Kalasinn

    Kalasinn ♧ OG Kally ♤ Full Member

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    You guys who mock Toney's statement, are forgetting this logic...

    Toney beat Holyfield in '03

    Holyfield beat Tyson in '96 & '97

    Tyson beat Holmes in '88

    Holmes beat Ali in '80


    Therefore, Toney beats Tyson, Ali & Holmes! :lol::rofl