Not surprising. Fedor, like Big Nog and Crocop, has become shot with age & damage.

Discussion in 'MMA Forum' started by horst, Jul 31, 2011.


  1. rokurota

    rokurota Member Full Member

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    rjj is only fighting to avoid being thrown in jail by the IRS for 3 million in unpaid taxes.
     
  2. Regeza

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    Age has nothing to do with a fighter being shot or not. I think fedor has declined and also gotten lazy and reckless. In his pride days he stood up long enough to take the fight to the ground to gnp and work for subs. Now he does not look for td he just swings wildly ,it all started with the Sylvia fight, ever since his been mostly a stand up fighter.
     
  3. TheUnstoppable

    TheUnstoppable Well-Known Member Full Member

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    While I wouldn't say he's shot, I would say he's slipped massively. He just looks sluggish, lethargic, uninterested, all manner of negatives that culminate in him fighting almost desperately from the opening bell. He always looks like he's struggling nowadays and it always feels like he's going to have to do something big to even take the round back.

    Very sad to see, just look at him in his fights with Cro Cop and Big Nog, he's just so much more fluid and confident.
     
  4. liger05

    liger05 puroresu fan 4 life!! Full Member

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    His done. Why people want to see shot fighters carry on baffles me.
     
  5. greathamza

    greathamza Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Fujita has some power in those hands and was/is a solid HW and Fedor still won that fight.
    I think Bas was the one who said that he thought he saw the first death in MMA when Randleman slamed him on his head until Fedor came out and wasnt even rocked.
     
  6. amhlilhaus

    amhlilhaus Well-Known Member Full Member

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    but the level of comp that's beating him is not recognized as being of the HIGHEST class. they are very good but not the best. that's the sign a fighter should retire.

    by your logic muhammed ali shouldn't have retired after trevor berbick beat him.
     
  7. Primenal

    Primenal Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He just has to change his style up a bit. He isn't completely done or shot, but if he doesn't change then he better retire! Just to wild, doesn't have a gameplan. He should have simply gotten Hendo to the ground, use that extra weight and strength he posesses and smother the guy.
    No point in simply trading hands with a guy that has great punching power, and is smaller...but yet quicker.
    I think that's one big thing people are forgetting about Fedor against guys like Sylvia, Nog, Cro Cop, etc. Those guys were big, and strong, but not as quick as Hendo woudl be. The only reason Fedor beat those guys was because of his hand speed, and durability. Speed kills....Just ask the following boxers: DLH, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey, Margarito. I do think if Fedor executed the right gameplan Hendo wouldn't have had a chance, but the speed of Hendo didn't help.
     
  8. MetalMandible

    MetalMandible Chinchecker Full Member

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    I'm surprised at the outcome because while I realized Fedor was definitely past his best, I didn't realize how far he'd fallen off. There is no amount of revisionism that can paint Fedor has a Hype Job but getting KOed by a forty year-old MW gives that crowd a ton of ammunition.

    Really, the guy is on a three fight skid and he got lambasted in this one so unless he's looking to become a Glass Jawed Joke and professional punching bag like Liddell did, he needs to hang them up ASAP.
     
  9. MetalMandible

    MetalMandible Chinchecker Full Member

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    You're a ****ing ****** or a child if you honestly believe that age doesn't affect one's body negatively. By thirty-four you're already losing some speed and reaction time without also bearing the effects of damage from a decade-long fighting career. Add in those years of intense abuse and you have the reason why most prizefighters and players in hard contact sports like American football and rugby are done by their mid-thirties.
     
  10. horst

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    For once, I agree whole-heartedly with this jawbone-obsessed maniac.

    It really underlines how remarkable Anderson Silva is right now. Though I suppose he never had all the Pride wars that guys like Fedor, Nogueira and the like did.
     
  11. MetalMandible

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    That's exactly why Anderson's still going strong. He's never really had to dig deep and go to war and he hasn't taken loads of head shots which are guaranteed to considerably shorten one's prime.

    That being said, unless he's blessed with B-Hop-esque longevity genetics he HAS to fall off sooner rather than later, particularly since reflexes and speed are first to go and key for a counterpuncher.
     
  12. horst

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    Again, agreed. Even though I think Anderson is at this moment still capable of performing at an extremely high level, I don't think he is quite as sharp and potent as he was 2006-2008, he's declining slowly, probably in less than two years he'll realize it's going and call it a day. That's what I think will happen, but you never know with great fighters. I thought Hendo's career was in dire trouble after the Shields fight, and look at him now!
     
  13. MetalMandible

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    I think he's deteriorated a bit, as well, and I really started thinking that when feather fisted Sonnen was able to wobble him twice. His Chin is still really solid because he took a couple of decent shots from Belfort with the typical miniscule effect but I still can't help but think that the downward slide has begun in earnest.

    But, as you say, Hendo is looking better than ever at 40 and Anderson certainly has the sublime skill required to take up the slack for his declining physical gifts. I just hope that when it does go down, and it will eventually, that it's not in the form of a vicious demolition job by Jones who doesn't give graceful send-offs to the vanquished.
     
  14. horst

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    I have no interest in Silva-Jones, stylistically I think it's a mismatch. I'd like to see Silva follow Okami with the Stann-Sonnen winner, then the Mayhem-Bisping winner (which will be Mayhem), then GSP, and then I think that's pretty much all she wrote. It'd be great to see a true great bowing out at the top rather than hanging around and getting ****ed up like we had to witness with Wanderlei and Chuck.
     
  15. Stoo

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    Stating the obvious here but generally speaking Wrestlers have a longer shelf life than strikers

    I cant see Anderson fighting beyond 2012, dont think he'll be motivated to wait around for the likes of Munoz and Stann to earn their shots. Maybe avenging the Okami ''loss'' is the only really motivating fight for him, atleast at Middleweight