Who was more skilled : Louis or Robinson ?????

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  1. Vic-JofreBRASIL

    Vic-JofreBRASIL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Who was more skilled ??
    Joe Louis or Sugar Ray Robinson ??

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    FREDDIE ROACH:
    about Joe Louis :

    "... if you wanted to go by the book, he was the perfect fighter."

    http://www.doghouseboxing.com/DHB/Tyler081309.htm

    "Who is your favorite fighter of all time other then Manny?
    Freddie Roach: Joe Louis hands down - his technique, he's a textbook fighter. If you want to learn boxing by the book he's the guy to watch. A complete well schooled fighter. Not just natural ability but well schooled."
    http://www.craveonline.com/sports/interviews/140130-freddie-roach-talks-boxing

    EDDIE FUTCH:
    about Robinson :
    “He had everything,”
    “Boxing skills, punching power, a great chin, mental strength. There was nothing he couldn’t do. He knew almost everything there was to know about how to box. When Ray was in his prime, he owned the ring like no fighter before or since.”

    http://www.secondsout.com/columns/thomas-hauser/sugar-ray-robinson-revisited--part-one

    Who and why ?

    :bbbwell......It´s up to you now......:bbb
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsBP5P0Xe2c[/ame]

    Discuss....
     
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  2. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    C'mon, I have a 1970s interview with Louis stating Ray Robby was the best ever P-4-P....

    MR.BILL
     
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  3. Swarmer

    Swarmer Patrick Full Member

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    Skills=/=overall effectiveness, ability, pound for pound worth.

    Louis had superior defensive ability along with his offensive arsenal, although SRR's combination of good boxing skill and unbelievable firepower made him the superior fighter.
     
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  4. DaveK

    DaveK Vicious & Malicious Full Member

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    I think robinson could solve more diversity in styles. As an example, I have trouble envisioning very many fighters to out-bang either, but as far as boxers with good movement, I think Robinson dealt with that better.

    In short, Louis was easier to outbox than Robinson, but both dealt with come-foreward fighters well...
     
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  5. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    what re you kidding? the little I've seen of him makes him look like he belongs on the masterpiece theatre
     
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  6. Swarmer

    Swarmer Patrick Full Member

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    how many superb movers/boxers did robinson face?
     
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  7. Vic-JofreBRASIL

    Vic-JofreBRASIL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That isn´t my question Senhor Bill......who was the more skilled ?
     
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  8. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ray Robinson...
     
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  9. PaiN_KiLLeR

    PaiN_KiLLeR Harder than nails Full Member

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    Louis was undoubtedly the most skilled heavyweight of all time, but as Eddie Futch said "Robinson owned the ring like no fighter before or after him".

    BTW nice OP.
     
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  10. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Robinson and it isn't close, can you imagine SRR being outboxed by a man he had 40lbs on?

    Galivan for 1

    If he had such better defensive skill why did he get knocked down so many times comparatively? Why was he ko'd? Why was he outboxed multiple times?
     
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  11. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think Louis was a better technician, despite Robby having more all-around talent.

    For example, look at the inside skill and counterpunching ability she shows here, against a guy who was 50 pounds heavier and all over him:

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  12. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That wasn't the question, though.
     
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  13. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You mean if Robby was also 37, if at least half of that 40 pound "advantage" was just excess weight, and if the lighter fighter was himself an ATG at his peak? Sure, why not.

    Gavilan wasn't a "mover/boxer" at the time he fought Robby, he was an aggressive inside swarmer.

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    It wasn't until a year or so later that he altered his style to become more of a boxer.

    :lol: Robinson was knocked down even more times than Louis.

    :lol: What "multiple times" was he outboxed?
     
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  14. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That says it all right there.
     
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  15. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Based on film i'd say these two are the most perfect fighting machines in history.

    Robinson slightly edges it due his superior athleticism allowing him to be more effective.
     
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