Fedor = overrated

I agree with this. I meant if he decided to fight at LHW in his next fight for the sake of argument, it would be a tough ask at this stage of his career. He probably could to it, but I think he'd near drain anything he's got left in the tank to do it. Kinda like Hendo at 185 against Jake

 

Yeah. I agree with that. The weight issue really isn't that big a deal - people can talk about how huge Silva is but Mike Kyle did a better job against him than Fedor and obviously he outweighed Henderson.

 

It's tough to point at any specific thing, because it's a bunch of little things. It was just his demeanor. And as soon as the fight started, he didn't try to fight intelligently and lose because he couldn't pull the trigger because he's old. His hands were still fast. He still had a lot of power. But he was sloppy. You got the sense that he went all-in on the first hand. There was no strategy.

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Not at all, I guess the thinking was work to your strengths, but Im not even sure if they had a wrestler come in and work on stuff like the clinch, and we all heard about his lack of top notch BJJ prep for the Werdum fight.

But Hendo had him pressed against the cage with double underhooks and a wide base looking to sap his strength. Tough spot for anyone Id say. Especially if you are under prepared

 

I got you fella, and Ive made the same criticisms about his sloppiness myself. Prime example is when he had Hendo on the matt, Fedor just started swinging wildly without establishing a base, allowing Hendo to escape

Logic would say the safest spot for Fedor to be in that fight was Dan's guard. And the worse spot for Dan would be with his back on the matt with Fedor in his guard

Made no sense

 

To me Emelianenko's fall is about the evolution of the sport. Fedor really came into MMA fully formed from his sambo days - his takedowns are all throws, his striking is effective but technically rudimentary and his submissions are things like armbars and leglocks that have roots in judo.

The problem is that the unified rules 'house style' wrestling-kickboxing-jiu jitsu is perfectly designed to defeat that style. Folkstyle wrestling takedowns are better at getting people to the ground and controlling them than Judo, kickboxing (whether Western or Thai) is an improvement on sambo striking technique and jiu-jitsu has better submissions than judo. What made Fedor great in Pride is that he was the closest to having the wrestling-kickboxing-jiu jitsu style that's since become so popular - against Nogueira he had the better takedowns and striking whilst against Cro Cop he had the better takedowns and grappling.

 

You guys saying Fedor is overrated are a bunch of clowns. You don't even deserve a discussion on the topic, you know jack **** about the fight game... you have alot of wisdom considering you have been watching the UFC since TUF finales came out on Spike TV.

Watch some " Rings ", " Vale Tudo", "Pride Fc" and then post some real ****. You troll goofballs.

 

Yes. I never claim to be an expert on MMA (because I'm one step up from a noob ) but I am pretty good at calling the results of boxing and MMA matches. And I would have been very surprised if Fedor had won against Hendo. Even at the weigh-in and the staredown, he looked like he was going through the motions. There was no fire to show the world that he was still Fedor the Last Emperor. And that continued through the fight itself.

I mean, he fought, he tried to get Henderson out of there, but that was the problem. It seemed like Hendo was hellbent on winning the fight, Fedor just wanted to KO him with one shot.

That's what pisses me off about people writing off these last 3 wins as being irrelevant to his legacy. They are NOT. They are bad losses, and Henderson is the worst of all. Fedor is not physically shot. He says that he loves to train and fight, and wants to continue. But he did not give his best effort. He did not fight the way a GOAT should fight. He fought like a pub brawler and looked like a novice.

If you didn't know it, you would have no idea that the man you were watching went 10 years undefeated and is widely considered the GOAT. But you wouldn't have considered him to be an old man who couldn't pull the trigger anymore either. You would have seen a man who has fast, powerful hands, lots of aggression, and **** all in the way of technique, cage intelligence and cage generalship. Certainly nothing close to the obvious fighting experience and calm, patient temperament that the 34 year old GOAT should have. :good

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Fedor was the best heavyweight in the world at some point in time.. but it hasnt been for quite a few years.
He would have lost a lot earlier if he had fought the right(or wrong..) guys.


Fedor (or his management) let the game pass him by.

 

Fedor be tryin to bring back that Chute Boxe style son...

 

fedor doesn't have the drive to compete. he only fights because m1 wants him too. at a high level like this. you will perform like **** if you dont have the drive. compared the way he fights in his prime to now. he is primarily a headhunter now. no cast punching + sambo throws/trips. he is looking for the 1 shot ko.

plus it was a bad stoppage. i smell some funny business with zuffa. big john would have never stopped the fight that early.

 

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What!

 

****ing exactly. And that's what pisses me off the most. Werdum and Henderson were both there for him. He had both of them rattled and in trouble. But there was no technique, no strategy, just raw unfocused aggression. Henderson knew exactly what he was trying to do every second of the fight. Fedor seemed like an unfocused, llttle-trained, extremely fast and powerful pub brawler. :conf

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