Controversial statements on boxing that you stand by...

There is way too much **** sucking of Harry Greb and Charley Burley

 

Some of Ali's opponents are seen as greater than what they are, cause they fought Ali.

 

Gooners: Such as? I'm certainlyvery level-headed when tcomes tithe likes ifCooperand Cleveland Williams, For instance.

 

Bonavena, guys like that.

I dont know if he's THAT much better than more contemporary fighters like Spoon, Mercer, and if he is, its marginal imo.

 

Idont anyone that says anything of the sort, I rate Mercer higher for sure.

But what he was, was durable. Which iswhy Ali gets creditfor being the only man to get rid of him. A good win, regardless of Bonavena just being a decent contender :good

 

Who d'you think you are, Spencer Oliver?

 

Bit controversial this one, but I prefer to see people knocked the **** out, early stoppages **** me off

 

Early stoppages suck ass :deal

 

I dont know much about past fighter read bits and pieces or watch when i have time.

Bit of a hypothetical question about Ali how much do you guys feel the lay-off affected him? Without it do you feel he would have beat Frazier with more ease or did Frazier have a style to always trouble him?

 

Frazier always had a style to trouble him, but the movement Ali displayed pre-exile was largely gone when he came back. His reflexes weren’t as sharp, he stood his ground more, and he was there to be hit due to his porous defence.

So, allied with a small, mobile and aggressive guy like Frazier, who was great at getting on the inside, he wasn’t able to control distance the way he might have in his youth.

 

I watched the fight on DVD and you can see it on youtube...Briggs won for me...just have a look now.

 

Briggs did not win. I remeber scoring the fight 116-111 for Foreman. I cant see anyway possible how you could score the fight for Briggs:huh

 

It isn't a statement or really controversial but it really annoys me how people talk about Freddie Roach when talking about his fighters, specifically "...but Freddie Roach won't let him do that". I dunno, it's annoying.

 

yea ****'s me off when peeps say ''oh, but he's trained by Freddie Roach''

 

Ive said this before pre Sonny Liston 1962....the fighters should belong to an older era in terms of ranking greatness...Liston brought in top level skils and size.


The best heavies pre 1962- and lets look at statistics


J. Louis 6'2 - Mean championship weight - 203 pounds (5484 pounds divided by 27 title fights)

J. Johnson 6'1 1/4 - Mean champ wgt -209 pounds (1884 by 9 title fights)

G. Tunney 6'0 1/2 -Mean champ wgt - 190 pounds (570 by 3 title fights)

J. Dempsey 6'0 3/4 - Mean champ wgt - 189 pounds (1513 by 8 title fights)

R. Marciano 5'10 - Mean champ wgt - 186 pounds (1304 by 7 title fights)

J. J. Jeffries 6'1 - Mean champ wgt - 219 pounds ( 1972 by 9 title fights

J.J. Walcott 6'0 - Mean champ wgt - 195 pounds (1366 by 7 title fights)

F. Patterson 5'11 1/2 - Mean champ weight - 187 pounds (2440 by 13 title fights)

E. Charles 6'0 - Mean champ wgt - 185 1/2 pounds (1672 by 9 title fights)