When bowe threw his belt in the trash...

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  1. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    He'd have a flat fee per fight with bonuses for bigger fights, ie Lewis
     
  2. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    :patsch Seriously? Fight by fight or a seven fight deal guaranteed. Think about, Ill give you plenty of time, whats a better deal?? The seven fight deal was riddled with incentives and guaranteed Bowe 7 fights rather than 1.
     
  3. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    come on fellas, let's stay on track here.

    what bowe did would be akin to dempsey throwing his belt away to avoid a fight with wills.

    or today, say wlad taps vitali's mrs and so vitali breaks his oath to his mother and challenges wlad to a fight, wlad says no. so wlad destroys chambers to become his mandatory ibf challenger (as well as the consensus number 1 challenger) and wlad throws his ibf belt away. you know damn well people would hold vitali as the premiere champion.

    like today many people judge johnson off his pre-championship run because by turning down langford he admitted he wasn't willing to fight the best any more.

    i know a lineal title cannot be stripped but acts such as this as tantamount to retiring one's claim.
     
  4. crippet

    crippet Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Such a shrewd deal has left Bowe the richest man at the yard sales
     
  5. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    I've still not seen a good argument against this being considered as bowe relinquishing his claim to the championship.

    Be it fear, smart or ill advised bowe did throw his belt away refusing to fight lewis the number 1 contender, what champion does that really?
     
  6. lefthook31

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    Lennox Lewis did it twice.
     
  7. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Really has nothing to do with it. Bowe is the moron who decided to spend all his money. He wasnt the first and he wont be the last fighter to squander millions.
     
  8. lufcrazy

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    You're clued us enough on the situation to know that just isn't true. The only comparable time would be lewis not granting vitali a rematch, which he didn't and subsequently retired.
     
  9. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Bowe didn't relinquish his claim as the champion. He beat the man that beat the man. Bowe WAS the champion. Bowe didn't need Lewis for anything. Lewis wasn't more established than Holyfield. Lewis raised eyebrows because he beat Ruddock who fought competitively with Tyson that's the bottom line.

    There is no acceptable excuse for vacating a title. It's not up to the fighter or the public to determine who is worthy. If the IBF made Byrd their mandatory Lewis should have defended. Same with the WBA and Ruiz.
    Ruddock lost two in a row to Tyson why did he get to keep fighting for a mandatory shot? So regardless of how dangerous Ruddock might have been perceived he like Ruiz for example, maintained a position somewhat unfairly because of his ties with king. It was just more acceptable because he hung in with Tyson.
     
  10. lefthook31

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    Hopkins fought a lot of unworthy challengers in the 90's but he didn't vacate his title. King kept lining them up and Hopkins kept knocking them down.
     
  11. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    Great posts Lefthook! Your points are made very clearly and if others don't understand them then I don't know what to tell them.

    Newman tried to follow Butch Lewis in his footsteps by milking the public and building up a Bowe-Lewis superfight and it backfired miserably. Wasn't Bowe next in line to challenge Lewis if he were to get by McCall in 1994?
     
  12. lufcrazy

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    The difference here is hopkins was number 1 in the 90's but there wasn't much separating him, holmes and joppy and they all agreed to enter the robinson tournament.

    Lewis was number 1. Bowe threw his championship away rather than face him. Ruiz was never number 1. Byrd was always ranked behind a klitschko until vitali retired.

    You still haven't given me any good reason as to why bowe should still have been considered the premiere heavyweight in the world and using linearity with no context means very little else would be trying to tell me briggs was the top man in 97.

    It is my firm belief that team bowe took the first steps into killing that lineage and by the time big george got robbed by shannon, the meaning of the lineage had been completely lost.

    Between bowe binning his championship and tyson returning with a bang that lineage undoubtedly lost it's value and that cannot be denied.
     
  13. Jear

    Jear Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Luf, Do you consider Spinks as champ in 78??? Holmes and Norton were the top contenders for Spinks title who was stripped for refusing to fight them and rematching Ali instead
     
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  14. crippet

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    I consider Leon Spinks a champion, but one of the worst champions ever alongside Bowe.
     
  15. zadfrak

    zadfrak Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Do you really think that fight happens if Lewis had won? Keep dreaming. You had a far better chance of the Bowe management taking an easy fight against an Alex Stewart type guy.

    It's one thing to give up the title. The next question becomes, okay what fight did the public get instead? Ferguson? Were you picking the guy to even be competitive because nobody I knew was.

    So maybe you give Bowe a get out of jail free card on that one. Who did that other guy face in his fight? Oh yeah, he faced a Don King fighter in a WBC title fight. And that is never ever an easy road to take and a road Bowe never took his whole career.

    So what happens after that? We the public got a shot Mike Dokes. Who wanted to see that and just who was picking Dokes in that one? Especially after the Evander and Ruddock beatings and his form going into that Bowe fight.

    Next, Bowe has to fight a top notch opponent and a different caliber of opponent and he loses a decision. He had all those same physical advantages going into the fight including youth & a previous victory and he lost.


    At the end of the day, what you have to strongly consider is the fact the Bowe management knew they were not going to remain on top long and took some paydays. Get the $$$ while they can and while it lasts because their guy won't stay undefeated as champion long.