So Bute offered Kessler 750K...

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  1. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    Of course it makes a difference. A lot less people are willing to pay to see a fight at 4am than would pay to watch it at 9am.
     
  2. T.C.W

    T.C.W Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    what about the germany tv money aswell on the Kessler end. Kessler is a star in Germany as well.
     
  3. pasky2000

    pasky2000 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Not sure at all but the rumor was that he was keeping all Euro money outside Romania.
     
  4. Beatle

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    Bute is a proven ducker. He always offers the best fighters low purses, so they'll refuse and it will look like they're ducking him. Bute is 31 years old and has never fought a championship-level opponent. Fraud, fraud, fraud.
     
  5. BatTheMan

    BatTheMan Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So in rough numbers Bute generates 2M from the gate and 1M from PPV (20K @ 50 dollars). Then he also gets the Showtime contracted fee which is 2M.

    Kessler gets 750K + undisclosed sum from Showtime (let's say 250K) + danish TV-rights (which might be say 20K @ 100 dollars).

    This means Bute gets 5M and Kessler 3M.

    Do you think Bute would be happy with such a split if he was to fight in Copenhagen?


    PS: Regarding german TV: The fight would not be on german TV since that can be seen in Denmark hence ruining the PPV.
     
  6. pasky2000

    pasky2000 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Lets stay consistent....

    1.8 million is the most optimistic figure. It's not a given.

    - 1.8 million - 5% - the rest of the card ($75 000) = At most 1.635 million

    - Showtime brings 2 million

    - PPV is only your wishful estimates...not reality. Anyways lets continue with that example..... 1 million generated = They get $500 000 (real share) - 3% = $470 000

    So if everything goes perfectly.....they would generate a little over $4 million in North America


    1- Now the $750 000 given to Kessler is a guaranteed fee which could fluctuate depending on the actual gate.

    2- Showtime's % to Kessler is also your personal estimate, not reality.

    Where's the counter offer ? I'll be waiting....and until then, yes Kessler should have taken that offer. They didn't counter it and decided to fight an orthodox boxer. Says it all........
     
  7. ploys

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    thats actually good money for a title shot. isn't it? thats just shy of a 60/40 split which is generally considered pretty fair.

    & i doubt showtime would give kessler that little if bute would be getting that much. but whatever.
     
  8. BatTheMan

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    I excluded the deductions from the canadian PPV as well as the danish which was in Bute's favour as the PPV generates more revenue in Denmark than in canada so my math holds.

    We've been through the counteroffer bit before. Sauerland said they did counter the offer. Interbox said they never received any.

    If Sauerland had offered the same deal for Bute to come fight Kessler in Copenhagen (750K+250K+canadian PPV) would Bute have taken it?

    Of course not. He can make the same fighting another clubfighter in Montreal and that is precisely what I think is going to happen.
     
  9. Vidic

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    :good
     
  10. Vergilius

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    Both guys are good fighters and people should stop talking **** about either of them. From Kessler's perspective; this is probably his last run. Out of his last three fights, two were taxing. Now he might prefer to take on Stieglitz whom he can probably beat, become a champ again, make a defence or two while pocketing some much needed cash and building his profile before he takes a big risk again - it could be the last time, after all, it makes sense for him to get himself into the best possible position first. From Bute's perspective, he needs some names on his resume. Can't keep fighting guys from the lower tier, he needs to take a risk soon. To bad for him that he can't seem to find a dance partner. One of his problems is, that the guys coming out as loosers from the Super Six are still dangerous while a victory against them would give him less credit (Johnson, Abraham, Direll - Bute might be favourite to beat each, but it's no given).
     
  11. BatTheMan

    BatTheMan Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This is not a 60/40 fight IMO. Only if the 60% goes to the visiting fighter it would be fair. Agree?
     
  12. Vergilius

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    Futhermore, it should be taken into account that very few people in Denmark are likely to know who Bute is. Certainly no more than know Stieglitz. If those names are going to generate the same kind of money for Kessler as far as PPV in Denmark, who do you think his promoter is going to match him with? They wouldn't be doing their job if they chose the better guy!
     
  13. pasky2000

    pasky2000 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    There was no counter offer. Sauerland is lying 150% !!

    Don't be stubborn please... $750 000 is a guarantee, not a deadlock figure.

    The $250 000 is your imagination...not reality.

    Canadian PPV money is worth **** compared to the Euro TV revenues and it's only wishful thinking to get 20 000 purchases here..

    Yes Bute was willing to fight anywhere, even considering he's the champ and Showtime was pushing for all his fights to be in North America. Understandably, they don't pay 2 million to broadcast fights that aren't live or in the afternoon in the US....

    Showtime selects Bute's opponents now so put the club fighting argument to rest. Without Showtime, he doesn't make over a million.
     
  14. ploys

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    not really. i think 60/40 to the champion who is also guy pulling the crowd is fairer...

    & whatever the split...kessler's getting good money & you'd think he would want the fight. if the stieglitz fight has gone to purse bids that means he'll be getting the thin wedge of a 60/40 split of a much smaller purse. right?
     
  15. pasky2000

    pasky2000 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Being a mandatory normally means the split is 70% to the champ and 30% to the challenger with no fight options. Otherwise it's just negociations.