Frank Shamrock v Wanderlei Silva @ UFC 25 Poll Added

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  1. Stoo

    Stoo Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    So if Frank hadnt retired after beating Tito Oritz and went on to defend his title against Wandy in 2000

    Would Frank outclass him or the matt or would Silva be too aggressive in the stand up?

    At the time, was Frank's stand up better than Wandy's ground game?

    Who would win and why?
     
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  2. 196osh

    196osh Mendes Bros. Full Member

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    I think Wandy would have TKO'd Frank.
     
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  3. Stoo

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    Really, that simple?
     
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  4. timmyjames

    timmyjames PTurd curb stomper Full Member

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    i think frank could have taken down wandy....shamrock was good off his back, so even if he had to pull guard he should have been able to get it to the ground
     
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  5. rusty nails

    rusty nails Tszyu for PM!! Full Member

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    i honestly think frank would have been too quick on his feet for wandy. hell of a fight though.
     
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  6. Beouche

    Beouche Juan Manuel Marquez Full Member

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    I was watching Frank vs Inoue earlier. Great fight. Franks a hell of a fighter
     
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  7. rusty nails

    rusty nails Tszyu for PM!! Full Member

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    what a fight.. :nut
    poor enson must have been thinking 'what the **** is this little **** on???'
     
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  8. Primate

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    I would've been sick to see.


    I'd give a slight edge to Frank. He was training heaps of striking around that time, and I can only imagine he'd be sharper on the ground than Wand at the same time.
     
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  9. 196osh

    196osh Mendes Bros. Full Member

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    I don't think it would have been easy, but Wandy I thinks combination of aggression and speed would have been too much. TKO would have been late. Wandy is also not a turtle off his back.
     
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  10. Stoo

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    Well Frank was a tough SOB and soccer kicks and stomps were banned. Also Wanderlei didnt have the best TDD and his ground game was primarily stalling on his back. And Tito had great success with Wandy and he wasnt as dangerous as Frank in terms of submissions. Hendo was rocked 3 or 4 times in the first fight and he managed to get Wandy down or atleast clinch until he recovered

    I can easily see Frank doing variations of these game plans, at least to avoid a kod
     
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  11. MetalMandible

    MetalMandible Chinchecker Full Member

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    Frank's takedown ability wasn't ever much better than Wanderlei's porous takedown defense so I'd say it'd be a battle decided on the feet where Shamrock was HIGHLY overrated and where young Wanderlei was a ****ing beast.

    Silva by two round destruction.
     
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  12. Stoo

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    Yep....the best submission wrestler in the world at the time had poor TD ability....

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYvYTvCG0Cw[/ame]
     
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  13. Greco

    Greco Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It would have been a great fight. If Frank had tried to stand with him there is a good chance Wanderlei would have got him, but I think that Shamrock would have hit a takedown and grinded Wanderlei down til he nailed a submission.
     
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  14. MetalMandible

    MetalMandible Chinchecker Full Member

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    That Zinoviev slam does nothing to increase my appreciation for Frank's takedown ability because he always struggled against good wrestlers, something Zinoviev was decidedly not. If Tito Ortiz, a JUCO washout wrestler, was able to completely wrestle**** Shamrock then he wasn't a very good wrestler.

    Wanderlei wasn't a good wrestler either, but his takedown defense was good enough to stop Frank's basic arsenal of clinch throws and doubles for long enough to land leather. Also, even if Frank was able to get him down I doubt that it would result in a definitive finish because no one that survived underneath Arona was going to get tapped by Shamrock.
     
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  15. Stoo

    Stoo Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Yep....here's Frank struggling with good wrestler Dan Henderson in a grappling match


    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6eNTcsA1e4&feature=related[/ame]

    This point is moot because Wanderlei would not be shooting for the take down, and because Ortiz took Frank down, says relatively nothing about Franks ability to take Silva down

    We are not talking about the Arona era Wanderlei, we are talking about the ''what if'' match of 2000. And Wanderlei didnt recieve his black belt from Carlinhos Gracie until 2003.
     
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