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Mthalane just gaave Nonito hassle 'cause Donaire wasn't that focused.

IMO he is NOT that good.

Best African fighter at the mo' is.......Joyi ;-)

 

Better than big daddy Joseph?

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SNV is the best at doubling up his jab in boxing currently

 

Nah, I'm not all that set on it. Look, I see it as 50-50, but if I was to pick a winner, it'd be Mthalane.

Segura, for the most part, had dominated his opponent's based on his size. It's the reason why I really don't rate the Calderon win as highly as others, because, let's face it, ignore that he was past it, Calderon is, and always has been, a flyweight, who was faced with a guy who's a fly/super-fly. I don't care how long Calderon was reigning/how great he was, that fight was pretty much made to order for Segura, Ivan barely even had his legs anymore. It was basically like shot Cory Spinks vs prime Plastered ******* at welter.

Judging from this:


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There would not be such a disparity in size between Mthalane and Segura that Gio would crave. I doubt he'd be able to impose his physicality to any kind of great extent, seeing as he doesn't possess the nouse to do it with subtlety either, it's just mass pressure for the most part.

He's quick, puts his punches together well, and, contrary to what these commentators think, can actually counter effectively. He doesn't do it the conventional way, but he does it off the guard. Watch the times when Donaire hits his guard, and Mthalane immediately comes back with something sharp.

He would, without question, land the jab, and his overhand right with regularity. The point of him looking open to the body is a relevant one, but he does have the Joyi-like ability to step out of range at the right time whenever he gets caught too much there.

Of course many points can be made for a Segura victory, as it's extremely possible. I just happen to think it'd be a helluva lot closer than a lot of people would seem to think if it were to happen. Plus it's more fun to play devil's advocate.

He's got the tools to pull it off IMO, so why not argue in favour of it?

 

http://fighthype.com/pages/content10447.html
this is the greatest interview ever
:rofl

 

Beat Miranda better than Pong did.:think

Agreed on Joyi BTW.

Joyi>Agbeko.

 

Mthalane has great footwork and speedy foot movement, but his movement upstairs is very limited and though his guard is tighter than a nuns snatch, who's to say that Segura's constant hammering wouldn't eventually were it down? Like you said, he does move in and out of range very well, quick as a flash in fact, but how successfully could he do it down the stretch against a relentless and physically draining fighter like Segura?

I can fully understand why Mthalane would be your choice. I too see the flaws in Segura and how Moruti would exploit them, but I think there's a lot more to Segura than just being a big hard ****, and his power and workrate could quite possibly break down the Babyface if their fight went into the deeper waters.

 

Cesar Canchila with a good chin=ATG lower weight fighter :deal

 

Calderon has a better chance against Finito Lopez than people give him credit for.

 

I agree he'd be a lot better with a chin, but I don't think he'd be significantly better than he currently is, personally. His performance against Casimero wasn't really inspiring, he shipped far too many shots, and struggled with the speed and movement of Casimero, which other fighters have not (namely Mthalane). It was almost an even fight until the stoppage, I felt that Casimero had the edge, and he's really not that good of a fighter (lost debateably to Hirales, took a beating then quit against Mthalane) so it's hard for me to see him (Canchila) achieving much more than he did, with a better chin. I do like Cesar though, there's not much at all to 'hate' about him.

Marquez - Vazquez II Round 3 is one of the top 5 rounds of all time by my reckoning.

 

Bar being overtly negative and barely giving Lopez a chance to set for his shots, I can't see it. Lopez will time him at some point, and whilst I think Iron Boy has always been pretty durable (as well as when he had the legs to evade more than he shipped) I would say that Lopez is in a far different class to any puncher Calderon has faced (he's faced more big awkward monsters than sharp shooters IIRC: Cazares, Mayol, Segura...although to be fair most are bigger than him!) and I think Lopez would at least land the sharper jabs and be the more effective ring general and win on points if he doesn't take him out.

Chang of course, who can expose Ricardos problems on the inside as well as providing a jazzy, hard to time opponent on the outside, would steamroll straight through Lopez.

 

Agreed.

I'm not even sure if his chin is as bad as some say, just that his defense is that pourous. No fighter who would've been an ATG would've got in that hard of a fight with Casimero.

 

Konstantin Airich had loaded gloves against d.williams, no evidence just saying..

 

I don't think he'd win, merely that he'd fare better against him than many seem to believe. It's not going to be some kind of 11 round pasting that results in him being sparked in the 12th is all I'm saying. Many say it'd be a walkover, I'm thinking more of an 8-4 type decision.

Calderon is better than people credit him with being.

 

Yep, he was fairly old by the time he really got started if I'm not wrong.

He's not bad, looked quality at times every time I've seen him, and should've been allowed to continue in the 2nd Segura fight IMO.

Just...had some mad fragility where he could seemingly capitulate at any moment Loved the way he came back in the first Segura fight after being heavily dropped early; Segura, raw at the time, seemed to learn more from the fight than Cesar.....or maybe just had a better propensity for progression.

But still, if he had whatever he was missing: he would've been a formidable fighter IMO.