in the heavyweight division I would say riddick bowe. For me, he was a good big guy who was about greg page kind of level. riddick could fight and jab well but so could buster douglas. Yes he was good enough to be called the best heavyweight in the world but it was one fight. Bowe never stood out in his own time either. Lewis and holyfeild over shadowed him a bit. ok he KOd holyfeild but his best win is still over a guy who he lost to, and that was the only great fighter he faced by a long long way.
Roberto Duran. He had all the skills in the world had a nice run as lightweight champion. However, Benny Leonard, Pernell Whitaker, Ike Williams, Joe Gans and Shane Mosley could have had the same run without the loss to Esteban De Jesus. Got a win over Ray Leonard in a close fight, Won the lightweight tittle by a low blow after the bell over Ken Buchanan. Other than that he never delevered in big fights losing twice to Leonard (quiting the first time). Losing to Thomas Hearns, Wilfred Benitez and Marvin Hagler. Results matter and when it comes to the fights that mattered most Duran comes up shot.
That's just crazy lol His WIN over Leonard was in like his 12th year as a pro. The Hagler loss (which was close a fight) was in his 15th.
He's among the most well-known fighters in boxing history and is frequently placed inside the top 10 - or even top 5 - heavyweights of all time. It applies more to the casual fan, obviously, but I think that's what were talking about with the term overrated. Jimmy Young, as Swarmer mentions, has gotten a bit talked up on here, but the general boxing fan only knows him as some guy Ali beat, if they even know him at all. Anyway, of the great heavyweight champions, Dempsey has one of the weakest resumes, and one of the worst title reigns. He looks excellent on film, but there are plenty who look better. I don't think he has any case for top 10 status at Heavyweight, or top 100 P4P. All you have to do is look at many of the "Established" opinions, like RING (Dempsey at #16 on their list of greatest P4P fighters), or Bert Sugar (Dempsey at #9 on his list of greatest fighters), or the IBRO (Dempsey at #16), or ESPN (Dempsey at #9), etc, to see that he's the most overrated fighter in history. Edit: It seems Jack can only be argued as the 9th or 16th greatest fighter ever. ****'s up with that?
Why? I mean, I agree that he's overrated h2h against more modern fighters. But he did have quite an astonishing career during his own time.
Dempsey would be my pick. That some really talk about him as one of the best p4p is beyond comprehension. And he gets a ridiculous amount of excuses for his poor performances. Duran gets that as well, but he at least has a record to back up a very high placement p4p.
I agree with pretty much with everything you said, I also think hes overrated in a Hd 2 Hd sense, I mean he had fast hands and a great punch, but he was clueless on how to cut the ring off he would just follow, I have him rated around 13 - 14 at heavyweight so I do rate as a fighter, But cannot see how he makes it into the top 10 heavyweights.
He's never forgiven ol' twig legs for the Rocky-Fitzsimmons thread a while back. On here, ESB Classic, it's Jimmy Young or Dempsey.
George Foreman. Only 2 successful title defenses in the first reign. Comeback Foreman is even worse. Winning the title at 45 was miraculous but defending it against C level competition and barely escaping intact does not a great fighter make.