Roy Jones. Hes one of my fav fighters. But some people act like theres no fighter in the history of the sport that could touch him.
Princess nazeem hamed.When you go to the General forum,you can read at least 7 or 8 excuses why he lost to MAB.His fans constantly make him out to be this ATG featherweight despite never beating a great fighter and getting his ass kicked when he finally stepped up.Unbelievable!
Why so? I find him to be very underappreciated. I sort of agree with you here. In his biggest fights he did fall short but they was all past his prime, taking into account his phenomenal Lightweight run, which is comparable to Benny's, yes? The think of the success he had above that (and past his prime): A win over Leonard, titles in 3 weights, wins over Barkley and Moore, pushed Hagler very close etc... And the fact that his competition level was something insane. Also sugarsean, nice to see you using the same font as everyone else for once.
It's his H2H ability mainly, but partly his skills that get overrated. I just think he was a fortunate fighter to some extent, and the description that he was the most genius, hardest punching trap-smith gets extremely overplayed, almost to mythological status. Mainly all because of his KO over Corbett. I think a fighter like Langford was much superior. He beat countless great opposition far more often in my view.
I should have clarified. The rest of the world outside this ESB bubble. The Bert Sugar historians of the world that rank him like 66 underrated and under appreciate him. ESB classic, which grants him God-like status a bit too undeserving in my view does.
Nah, I think hes placed well. Seriosuly the more you research him, the mor eyou cant help but be impressed. If you have researched him I'd be interested to hear why you think he is overrated?
He's talking about a Marciano-Fitzsimmons thread. He thinks because "my idol" was pitted against a skinny 168 pounder fighter that I'm emotionally charged into believing he's overrated. Part of the specifics I'm talking about was discussed in that thread but I thought he was overrated far before that thread emerged.
I haven't researched him thoroughly, but briefly. I understand the magnitude of his accomplishments. I just think as a fighter he wasn't quite as great as he is made out to be. It really started with a particular set of posters putting him in their top 3 or as the GOAT. I just have huge problems seeing him ranked over guys like Charles, Langford, Duran, and even Ali. I just think they were far better fighters beating far better opposition. I know he had a solid MW run, and then won the recognized LHW championship, and beat a good slew of HW contenders, and then won the HW championship. He was out-boxed concisely against Corbett until he landed that solar plex shot. I think he had freakish power for a MW, no doubt. That he benefited from his time & small gloves. I don't think he was some genius boxing trapsmith like hardcore fans make him ought to be.
Because he was a genius trap-smith that punched P4P harder than any man alive. I don't know why. No real good reason.
He does have wins that were amazing like Dempsey and Corbett and two solid reigns as champ. I think a top 3 is reasonable. Although I wouldnt place him there