If Floyd struggles with Ortiz

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Gander Tasco, Aug 8, 2011.


  1. Gander Tasco

    Gander Tasco Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    A lot of what you see as adjustments I see as slow starting. You only need to adjust when things arent going your way, or if your doing something that isnt working. Floyd was dominating Marquez and Hatton pretty much from the opening bell. There was nothing he did in the early rounds that was entirely different from the later rounds. He potshotted, defended, and looked for counter opportunities which is what he always does. The same could be said of the Mosley fight. He may have adjusted to Mosley's right hand a little bit, but like I said, I attribute that more to him being a slow starter . Floyd always loosk a little more vulnerable in the early rounds when he hasn't gotten his feet wet. Once he gets going he usually takes over and it's a wrap from there.

    True adjustment would be like what Leonard did against Hearns in the later rounds when he was losing the fight.
     
  2. remi

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    You guys some idiots in here saying that Floyd looks vunerable in many of his fights against southpaws, but who doesn't look bad? However, he still managed to win his fights so he has done something right, but still no credit has been given or mentioned. Pacman, looks vunerableas well b/c marquez battled him 2x, clottey busted up his face with only throwing about 10 punches in the whole fight, come on man! Styles make fights. Floys can fight going forward, backwards, sideways, inside, and outside. Pac can only fight going forward, those angles that people claim that he uses are all against stationary fighters. Mayweather is far from stationary. Can Pac upset Mayweather, sure he can it's boxing. Can Mayweather pick Pac apart, for sure cause that's whta mayweathers does, he picks his opponents apart and Pac will be no different.
     
  3. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Corley fights going backwards and forward man. He's got a diverse skill set
     
  4. Blizz42

    Blizz42 Boxing Addict banned

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    Coming towards Floyd all night? So the **** what lmao. Floyd was winning every round. Even when he git buzzed, he came back tbe same round and next round. Corley buzzed Floyd, Marquez shook Pac, Judah never shook Floyd, Morales hurt Pac to the body as Margarito did also. Shane wobbled Floyd, Torrecampo and Singsurat knocked Pacquiao out. It's a fight, **** happens.
     
  5. Blizz42

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    He needs to rewatch Corley-Mayweather :lol:
     
  6. Gander Tasco

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    Right , but you said Floyd had to come to him. And he 'had' to come to mitchell? I call that bull****. He could have let them come to him if he wanted to, but he chose not to.
     
  7. bballchump11

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    :lol: why do people argue with you? You are so dense. Floyd makes little adjustments to specific punches or maneuvers and he makes big adjustments. Maybe he's a slow starter because he's looking to see what adjustments he needs to make at first to win the fight.
     
  8. Englund

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    They are adjustments. Things he had to change when things weren't going his way. He didn't just slowly get better as the fight wore on. He shut down things they were doing. Marquez is a perfect example. Watch the fight on mute and take note when Marquez lands a punch. Watch for him to land it again. Every time, you'll see him try, but Floyd had figured it out and it doesn't land. Marquez was ad******g, and Floyd was ad******g to Marquez' adjustment. That is all ad******g, not slow starting.

    What Leonard did against Hearns was a little more drastic, but that doesn't mean what Floyd is doing isn't ad******g. In fact, Leonard mostly just became more aggressive.

    When you look at what Floyd did with all of these fighters, you have to consider, "Would he be able to do the same to Pacquiao?' Obviously not on a literal standpoint, but would he be able to shut down what Manny comes in with by taking it away from him. I say, yes.
     
  9. Gander Tasco

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    Ok if that's the case then 90% of boxers on the planet are a great adjusters. Almost every boxer starts slow to feel out his opponent.
     
  10. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    well I bet Floyd could have fought them backing up, but he decided to press the attack because of them being southpaw. The southpaw advantage comes when fighting at long range so Floyd tried to take it away.
    Manny is going to come at him all night long and taking away some of his southpaw advantage for Floyd
     
  11. Blizz42

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    No, what's obvious is the skill set difference between Morales and JMM and the welterweights Pacquiao has been fighting.

    When you fight complete fighters, they exploit your weakness. Pacquiaos was the right hook. The smaller guys knew this, and didnt respect his jab or right hook.

    Pacquiao threw the right hook against JMM and Morales and couldn't land it or hurt either guy until Pacquiao/EM ll. The right hook worked on Morales a year later because Morales was a year older.
     
  12. Englund

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    Can anyone tell me why the ****** in ad******g is censored?
     
  13. Bodyshot99

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    it would mean nothing. two totally different fighters

    just because he would lost to one, that doesn't mean he'd lose to the other.

    would make things interesting at 147 though, kind of like a super trinity between the 3
     
  14. Blizz42

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    Your last sentencing is so true. Where was the versatility in Pacquiao against EM and JMM? Where were the adjustments???:huh
     
  15. Gander Tasco

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    Yeah I'm sure it was just bc Morales was older. Pacquiao is the same fighter he was back when he fought Morales the first time. :verysad