If Floyd struggles with Ortiz

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Gander Tasco, Aug 8, 2011.


  1. Englund

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    All fighters try to adjust, but Floyd just does it more effectively. Again, use my Marquez example. Marquez adjusted like he was supposed to, Floyd adjusted immediately. Marquez couldn't win rounds because Floyd was better (quicker) at ad******g than Marqeuz was. They were both exploiting weakness by ad******g, only Floyd corrected his weaknesses before it became a big deal and Marquez didn't.
     
  2. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    yes I'll go on and say 99% of fighters make adjustments in the ring. Maybe you keep getting hit with the left hook so you put your right hand higher. Or maybe you keep getting tagged, so you put your hands a little higher. Those are all adjustments.
    Floyd is better than most if not all the other fighters currently at doing them though.
     
  3. Blizz42

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    He is the same fighter from 130 with the same skill set. He is dealing with bigger slower guys now. The punches he couldn't land with regularity on JMM and EM, he lands on those bigger, slower guys starting with Diaz at 135. Pacquiao is faster than those guys. He won't be able to hit Floyd like he did those othet guys. Floyd is fast himself.
     
  4. remi

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    Yo Gander Tasco, if you really want to see where mayweather makes his adjustment, just take a look at the Zab Judah fight. For the first 4 rounds, look at the distance in bewteen both fightters compared to the distance after the 4th round. As the rounds were passing, Mayweather was closing the distance in getting closer to counter, fully knowing that Zab, as you and many other people said is a frontrunner, and that he would stop throwing.

    With he Oscar fight, all the questions about why did Oscar stop throwing his jab which was very good, is easy to explain. Everytime yuo throw a jab, and you miss or get countered, it takes a lot out of you. Oscar, no doubt was having success with his jab, but then Mayweather adjusted by staying on the ropes, having Oscar throw all those body punches that were not landing, and then countering him in the process. Mayweather as well as the world knew that Oscar has always had stamina issues in his fights.

    The Shane Mosley fight, he got rocked by the right hand and instead of backing away and bouncing on his toes, he immediately smothered Mosley's punches, again, tiring Mosley out to only end up countering him.

    The problem that people don't understand about Mayweather is that for some reason all the talk about he carries no power in his punches, but for some reason those guys that he hits gets stopped in their tracks. They don't throw back, or they don't throw with the same conviction. Mayweather said it a long time ago, Boxing is 95% mental, 5% physical. He could not have said it any better. Mayweather may have to go down as one of the smartest fighters ever!!
     
  5. Blizz42

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    Pacquiao was not used to 130 when he fought Morales at 130 which is why his punches weren't that effective with the exception of the early bodyshots. Footage shows he threw the same shots, but now he's stronger. Floyd was not used to 135 when he first faced Castillo even though he fought an over the weight fight before he fought Chico.
     
  6. Englund

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    It's funny, because you watch some of his 130 pound fights, they called him the power puncher. In fact, I heard Al Bernstein say about Floyd when he started to box an opponent, "This is unusual for him because he's a power puncher, not a boxer." Floyd totally has power.
     
  7. Englund

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    Interesting points, by the way. I gave my share of his adjustments, but I didn't cover these points. There's even more adjustments on his part.
     
  8. Blizz42

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    My sole reason why I pick Floyd to beat Pacquiao is because Pac can't fight inside or flatfooted against Floyd for 12 rounds. That is where I want to see Pacquiaos versatility. Most people think that if Pacquiao doesn't catch Floyd, Pacquiao will be out boxed. I want to see what's supposed to happen, NOT happen in a big fight.
     
  9. Blizz42

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    Pacquiao gets into tremendous shape now and can commit to his whole arsenal of punches now against these bigger, slower guys.
     
  10. Gander Tasco

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    Marquez fight ? seriously dude? Your making something look a lot more impresive then it actually is. Floyd had every advantage in that fight - bigger, stronger, faster, taller, longer reach. Marquez was ****ed from the start. Your seriously overrating Floyd's ability to 'adjust.' He always starts a little slow. He takes a round or two to warm up , from then on he's doing the same thing he always does , which is potshotting, staying on the defensive, and looking for counter opportunities. It's the same routine played out over and over again. The reality is most of the time his opponent can't adjust to his speed, or his style. These little examples that your giving are not all impressive in hindsight. Most other fighters make teh same kind of 'adjustments' in these moment - to - moment situations and sometimes do it more impressively then Floyd does.
     
  11. Gander Tasco

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    He's a much improved fighter, if you can't see that, youdont know what your watching. Almost everybody in the world involved with boxing would disagree with you on this point. It's not even worth debating tbh.
     
  12. remi

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    I agree, and people don't realize speed is power. You could deal with what you can see, but it's the punches that are coming from all different angles, to the face and to the body that you can't see is what mayweather has perfected. Not to be an ******* about the drug testing, but this is what he is trying to say. They both came up around the same weight class. Mayweather does not drop guys like how Pacman does, but according to logic, power doesn't travel with you when you move up but pac couldn't knock anyone out earlier but all of a sudden against legitimate welters, he's knocking guys out, Mayweather knows something we don't!
     
  13. Gander Tasco

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    He's a good boxer. But your overrating him bro, seriously. All of you are. You view him thru some kind of god-like/mythic lense . If Floyd farted you guys would go ape**** over how amazing and impressive it is.
     
  14. bballchump11

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    who's better at it then?
     
  15. punisher

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    It depends on how he struggles. If he gets outmuscled by the bigger Ortiz, yet still outboxes him, it would not change my perception. If he gets beat to the punch time and again or he gets caught continually with big left hands, it would most certainly change my perception. That would reveal that he has slipped too much to be competitive with Pac (assuming Pac doesn't show similar slippage in the near future).