Prime For Prime: Ricardo Mayorga vs Mark Breland at 147 - Who wins?

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  1. SportsLeader

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    As it says in the title.

    The best version of Ricardo Mayorga (KO3 Forrest) vs the best version of Mark Breland (Dunno, maybe D12 Starling? His conquests at the weight aren't great). Who takes this fight, and how do they do it?

    It's the brawler vs the boxer. Mayorga, the short, wild, powerful and dangerous puncher who fought in uncontrolled spurts and chucked a mean right hand power shot. Breland was the taller (a giant) boxer type, with a decent jab, fast hands and good movement who threw decent combinations. Both have suspect stamina. Can Breland ride the storm and outbox Mayorga? Or does the Matador blow him out of there at some point?

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  3. Scotty321

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    Breland would KO him. His right was lethal and Mayorga isn't hard to hit.
     
  4. Moe Greene

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    Mayorga is exactly the kinda' guy who, at his best, would come through Brelands bombs, break his heart and stop him late.

    Like here :hey

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sd2qKS-YsPY[/ame]

    Now, I am a vocal Starling aficionado, so don't think for a second I'm comparing Mayorga stylistically to him. Of course, they couldn't be more different as fighters.

    But Mayorga was an awkward, tough ******* with genuinely heavy hands. Whereas Starling used his cunning to stay in the game (against a super confident Breland who was used to sparking people) Mayorga would absorb punishment, catch Breland going back with something big and rough him up. Breland was a gangly ****er and a massive Welter, but the Nicaraguan could maul him, back him up, and take Brelands legs away down the stretch.

    Don't get me wrong! Coming at Breland and him catching you with shots, well, that's playing into his game. But he stopped no one of any note IMO, bar a shot to **** Lloyd Honeyghan (used to be on youtube, reminded me of Moon-Konadu II to be honest)

    I assume you've made this comparison because, like Forrest, Breland needed to be in his game for it all to come together. Well, I reckon it's the same here: Mayorga KO 10 Breland.
     
  5. SportsLeader

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    He could take a shot and a half though, Mayorga. And Breland wasn't a huge puncher, certainly not in the league of Felix Trinidad. I also feel that Breland wasn't the best at setting his punches up, he often threw his right hand short and it's power was wasted, particularly against come-forward opponents. Getting leverage against an aggresive opponent was tough for Breland against against Mayorga it would be difficult (awkward style, threw at angles) so landing wouldn't be easy (unless of course Mayorga decided to eat the punches).

    I also don't think Breland had the power, not against the WW Mayorga. I think a decision win is much more probable. Input appreciated though.
     
  6. SportsLeader

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    Mayorga is a fighter with 'genuinely heavy hands', a couple of commentators have remarked how he has the biggest knuckles they have ever seen on a fighter :yep.

    That aside, I have to say I agree with your breakdown :)good). Breland struggled to find a rythm against Starling, and dare I say, Mayorga is one of the hardest to set yourself against. There is no gameplan really to deal with him. Breland couldn't set himself against Starling, and struggled to get his punches off at times, and Mayorga is a nightmare to do that against and a more awkward mover than Starling so I think Breland would have issues there. I also think Mayorga was great at unsettling an opponents leg with his punches (His punches alone put Trinidad, Vargas and Piccirillo on unsteady feet, even if they weren't hurt) and I can see him doing the same against Breland. That said, Mayorga was never a sustained beating kind of fighter, and he rarely wore opponents down (more just knocked them out) so if Brelands stamina held up (possible, Mayorga doesn't bring it as much as Magic Man Marlon) he could take it on the cards.

    Anyone more clued up on Breland than I am see a different outcome?
     
  7. Moe Greene

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    Breland can win: if he commits to the body enough.

    But he was too confident in his power, and was ragged with his continuous head hunting at times.

    He was brought to the top with ease, smashed by Starling (THE most underrated Welter of all time IMO) looked tentative their return, and did **** all of note, in the grand scheme of things.
     
  8. SportsLeader

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    Nobody ever really tried the body with Ricardo (Trinidad had a pop, but his skull bashing with the left hook meant that the body shots weren't exactly a priority) so Breland could have his success, didn't really think about that :good.
     
  9. Moe Greene

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    But as I say, he'd need to do it consistently. And I don't think he was really that smart a fighter.

    Seems to me his amateur reputation stopped him becoming a complete fighter. Haven't seen any of him at 154 though, so have no idea how he looked there, might've blossomed and I could be missing out on an ATG operator ;-)
     
  10. Scotty321

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    Mr Greene,
    Thank you for introducing me to the word "aficionado". Thank god for google:yep

    I was never really big on Mayorga's abilities. The way Oscar took him apart underlined it. I think Breland, who faced crude operators in the amateurs, would keep his distance fairly comfortably for the first half of the fight. If Mayorga decided to disregard the power of Breland, I cannot see him surviving. He wouldn't be murdered the way Honeyghan was (a stunning performance that Breland doesn't get much credit for*), but he wouldn't make it to the championship rounds imo.

    *not "**** all of note" in my view! I think Honeyghan was actually the betting favourite that night,
     
  11. Moe Greene

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    It was impressive how Breland destroyed him, I admit to not being there, which means my view is a retrospective one and therefore probably not a good account of events :good

    This is all I had really

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0grGiA9V3YY[/ame]

    as well as a bit of knowledge of both men going into it. I take that back then, I maintain that Honeyghan was nowhere near his best for that fight.

    As for Breland, I still don't think he was all that great. Devastating puncher no doubt, well-schooled, but never really put it altogether for me.

    I love the fact the newsreader described Lloyds win over Bumphus as a 'virtuoso performance' :lol: That is one way of putting it :D

    Thanks for the insight :good
     
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  13. Moe Greene

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    I've noticed, from the amateurs, Breland has that Bob Foster thing where he shits himself when he's getting hit and spazzes out going backwards. Not hurt or anything, just reacts badly.

    Greg Paterson described it brilliantly to me once, 'like a cat when you flick water at it'.
     
  14. Scotty321

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    I'm not a big Breland fan. It's more I just think even less of Mayorga mate:yep
     
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