The HW division: What has changed?

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  1. pirao666

    pirao666 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Eastern europeans have always won a good number of medals in amateur boxing, and since when is amateur boxing an indication of exactly how you would do in the pro game? Getting desperate are we? :rofl There is also this thing called catching up.

    Will you give credit to Vitali when he beats Adamek BTW, or will you just call him a blown-up cruiserweight and say it means nothing then?
     
  2. JASPER

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    lol, "won a good number of medals" lol . . . ahahahahaa funny stuff. there is no exact corrolation between success as an amatuer as to how well you will do as a pro, but it is a great indication on how well someone could do. if easter europeans where so good they would have been winnng the most gold medals. but from what i can rememeber until Bowe it was the USA (and cuba to some extent) who dominated. I agree there has been an advancement in robtics over that time frame but it really didnt translate into the ring.

    Regardless on why it happened the american amateur system has collapsed and there really is no sign that everyone else has gotten better.
     
  3. pirao666

    pirao666 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah, yeah, the concept of catching up is unheard of according to you, too I guess :rofl When France or Argentina or more recently Spain won the World Cup in football it's because everyone else had fallen off the face of the earth, not because they finally got their **** together and caught up :nut

    What you're doing, is pure speculation and nothing more. Let me introduce you to a fact: until recently, eastern europeans weren't allowed to go pro. Now they're dominating the HWs and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future, and all your bitching can't change that :hi:
     
  4. Bubby

    Bubby Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You must remember that East Europe was under the hated Soviet Union. And most countries would not fight for them. Look at Ukraine, never had any amature champions before the fall of communism. But now have fighters in the top ten in many of weight divisions, not just heavyweights. And are now a real force in the amatuers also....
     
  5. JASPER

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    lol, you guys a funny! the USSR would have dominated because of the Russia, ukraine etc that came up through there system. they should have been head and shoulders above everyone else by then . . . you guys . . . hahahaha
     
  6. Azzer85

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    Since the retirement of Lennox Lewis, Name one american fighter, who would have ruled the division, if the Klits hadnt been around?

    Exactly.

    The division is garbage
     
  7. JASPER

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    Basketball, baseball, hockey have all seen a dip in talent in the recent years. why is impossible that the heavyweight division can do the same . . . hahahah you guys should take this act on the road! I would buy a ticket before I went to a crappy heavyweight fight . . . hahahahahaa
     
  8. Bubby

    Bubby Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You forget there was no money in being the best amature, only the pride of fighting for your country. The Soviet Union was not a country, but a brutal dictatorship, that few supported.
     
  9. JASPER

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    I think that fans were crying about having a dominate champ after LL they did not realize that it was actually the skill level that was really lacking.

    Besides who would dominate right now if it was not for the bros? exactly no one . . 'cause they all suck
     
  10. JASPER

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    lol, so the only reason anyone compete in anything is for pride of country? ahahaha . . . wow this gets better by the second
     
  11. Azzer85

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    I could wait here all night until Klit lovers tell me what heavyweight would have became "great" had it not been for their "domination" (over garbage)
     
  12. Kalasinn

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    :lol::rofl
     
  13. Bubby

    Bubby Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Nothing can change the fact that without Eastern Europe and Cuba the USA would hold six of the top ten best heavyweights in the world.

    And thats about the same as they did in the 80's, 70's, 60's, ect. Sorry! But thats life.
     
  14. Azzer85

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    Dont laugh, this is one of Wladmirs greatest wins
     
  15. Azzer85

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    Name one fighter since the retirement of Lewis who would have cemented himself as an ATG? (Apart from Holyfield). None.

    Klits rule over garbage. Nothing to write home about im afraid.
    and the list you provided was garbage too, eddie chambers et al, would never even be mentioned in previous eras let alone break into the top 10

    Im sure Ali, Tyson, Foreman, Frazier, Lennox and Holmes shiver at the thought of facing Sam Peters, Chris Arreola and Eddie Chambers.