Cuba, the best 4 Latin Boxers of all times, Chocolate, Napoles, Gavilan and Rodriguez

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  1. Cuban Bon Bon

    Cuban Bon Bon Proverbs 9:10 Full Member

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    Can you please explain to me what's the difference between amateur and pro?
     
  2. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :lol:

    Don't go too rough on him, guys. He's special.
     
  3. elchivito

    elchivito master betty Full Member

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    I never said he wasn't. Charles was an ATG light heavyweight. At HW he lost many, many times his best win was over
    Walcott who beat him two out of three. Gavilan threw bolopunches in bunches with his chin sticking out why do you think his chin is legendary? And Duran has Mexican blood you wish hed get a blood transplant but hes still half Mexican. You guys are just jealous hes the greatest Latin fighter ever and top 5 of all time.
     
  4. Cuban Bon Bon

    Cuban Bon Bon Proverbs 9:10 Full Member

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    Can you please explain why you think Duran is the best Latin fighter of all times?
     
  5. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Charles split a 4-fight series with Walcott, actually. Won the first two, lost the last two.

    Gavilan, for all of his unorthodoxy, was very aware inside the ring. Hardly a reckless fighter, at least not as he gained experience. He did have a great chin, though. Very proven.

    As for Duran, he had one of the greatest Lightweight reigns of all time, ruling the entire 70's decade with an iron fist before moving up to Welterweight (12 years and 70 fights into his pro career, mind you) and dominating Palomino (an excellent champion) and Leonard (among the greatest in the history of the weight class) to win the title. Even if he'd retired right then his legacy would've been cemented, but the reason he's so highly thought of today has a lot to do with the way the rest of his career went. He was past his prime by this time, both mentally and physically. The years of hard-fought wars and even harder partying/weight draining had taken their toll on him. So, as with any fighter at that stage, he began to fall off. Only, instead of fading away, he comes right back to shock the world and regain his status. Eventually he fades again, and everyone thinks there's no way he can come back. Voila, he shocks the world again, this time winning the Middleweight title at age 39, 18 years after winning his first title at Lightweight.

    In short, it was Duran's ability to fight back when the odds were stacked against him, when all semblance of his prime physical ability was lost, he would rely on his skills and his boxing brain to prove the doubters wrong. He was a passion fighter above all, though. Without his passion, he simply was not the same guy.
     
  6. Atritionist

    Atritionist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well for one thing Duran dominated the lightweight division and was able capture the welterweight belt, the Junior Middleweight belt, and succesfully defeated Iran "the Blade" Barkley for the Middleweight strap.

    He has to be up there with the best, not just the best Latinos, but the best fighters. Sure he gave all Latinos a bad rap by the notorious "No Mas" remark. But looking at all that he has accomplished and some of the names he has defeated. I would put him above Gavilan, Luis "El Feo" Rodriguez, or Kid Chocolate. Those are all great Cuban fighters but I'm looking at titles won in weightdivisions. :good
     
  7. elchivito

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    :lol: What??? Okay, all bias and nationalism aside, you do know in general Duran, some say Monzon which I would'nt argue against either, is considered the greatest latino fighter of all time? His reign of terror as a lightweight in the 70s that lasted for years alone makes him top 25 ATG. From that point he was being hailed Benny Leonards equal by many. What he did afterward beating a top 3 welter of all time and a solid middleweight in their primes in fights he was meant to lose catapults him among the greatest. If you wanted longetivity, he had it. Skils, check. Power, tambien. Bigger than life, you got it. There are many great latin fighters, but most fans nevermind what part of the world they live in will choose Roberto. That night he beat Leonard IMO he could of beaten any WW in history. Iron chin, power in both hands, cutoff the ring forcing a technical, slick, or rangy fighter to fight Durans fight, probably best brawler of all time, etc Why who do you have as greatest latin fighter ever? If its a Cubano it,better not be anyone else other than Gavilan.:lol: jk
     
  8. puertorricane

    puertorricane Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    hey is not their fault according to some cuban posters it was because china robbed them of a lot of wins because the chinese mafia and the goverment loves to gamble and they fixed the fights to made the cubans lose.. im not joking that's what they're saying

    :hat
     
  9. Stevenson#1

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    Those fighters although great boxers belong to another era , I usually refrain from fantasy match ups . On the other hand Trinidad / Kindelan DID happen and don't tell me the same bull**** about the PRO/AM thing , he ( Trinidad ) would have got beaten if they ever fought as Pros too . Oh wait , maybe not , knowing the way Pro boxing promoters work they probably would have avoided Kindelan if they could . So there is no need to especulate with fantasy
     
  10. Stevenson#1

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    Those fighters although great boxers belong to another era , I usually refrain from fantasy match ups . On the other hand Trinidad / Kindelan DID happen and don't tell me the same bull**** about the PRO/AM thing , he ( Trinidad ) would have got beaten if they fought as a PRO too . Oh wait , maybe not , knowing the way Pro boxing promoters work they probably would have avoided Kindelan if they could . So there is no need to especulate with fantasy match ups , Kindelan/ Trinidad did happened , it's on the records and Trinidad got beaten badly . Peace .
     
  11. Stevenson#1

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    Sorry for the above double post , made a mistake . Peace .
     
  12. Stevenson#1

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    ! And that's what happened you ******* ! , lets wait for London and then you can tell me that Cuban boxing is dead . WE ARE STILL THE NO1 BOXING NATION IN THE WORLD . Peace .
     
  13. Stevenson#1

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    Not this Rigondeaux , Rigondeaux is not yet 100% , he needs to fight more and if they bout now I think Gomez beat him ( pro or am ) , I love Rigo but he's wasting his career and he's certainly not invencible ( IMO ) . Peace .
     
  14. puertorricane

    puertorricane Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    lol im still waiting for the articles exposing this kind of robberies i mean you're claiming that it did happen for a fact so where are the articles the trainers the claims the proof.. at least come with something not just stupid excuses

    secondly i never said cuban boxing was dead i like the cuban boxing team i always root for them in the amateurs except when they are fighting a puerto rican but why you have to come up with those conspiracy theories when they lose it makes you look stupid and a sore loser

    and lastly trinidad was 17 when he fought kinderlan, in the amateurs he was a boxer in the pros he was a boxer puncher he got stronger and bigger he wouldve ko kinderlan in the pros.... most cubans are four round fencers their styles are tailor made for the amateur scoring system

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  15. Cuban Bon Bon

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    The Cubans have always been robbed in the amateurs. As a matter of fact, the Cuban coach Sagarra grabbed his Team and abandoned the 2000 games for seeing so many robberies against them. I myself, have seen more than 15-20 highway robberies in the Olympics and World Cups against the Cubans. I have seen the unthinkable and the most ridiculous scoring ever. :fire

    I remember in one occasion that Casamayor got robbed at gun point by the Russian judges in one of the World Cups or Goodwill games. He was fighting a very tough Russian guy and was winning fairly comfortable like 8-4. Then Casa hit the guy plain in the face ( wish should have been a clear point for Joel ), and instead the referee stopped the fight, looked to the judges and gave the Russian guy 4 points! What?! :scaredas: I couldn't believe it! Joel got so mad that completely lost his focus and since the other guy was also a top World amateur, he came back stronger and beat Joel. Casamayor cried on TV, and even called the ref un " Mar**on "! :lol:

    I couldn't believe what just happened, and I was also fuming mad. And that wasn't the only one, I remember on one Olympic that I got so frustrated seeing the injustice against the Cubans that I couldn't watch anymore in frustration. I know that this is something that not only happens to the Cubans but since they have been the #1 Country in the ams for so long I can understand that the judges would want to make it very difficult for them to win and would like the other Countries to grab some Golds too.

    About Trinidad losing to Kindelan ( twice ), I can understand that he was only 17 years old fighting an older and more experienced Kindelan but if Trinidad was a real unique talent and really something out of this World, ( as people claim him to be ) then he could have done what Khan did, he defeated the great Kindelan at age 17!

    And all of the Cubans win their first Gold or World Title at an very early age and I have proof of that. The problem is that since there are no pro sports in Cuba they have to keep on as amateurs for their entire career if they don't defect. ;)