Mayweather and Ortiz CURRENT weights

Of course you would because you're a dummy. What about the Margo that fought Shane and Roberto Garcia? Could that Margo beat the top ranked welterweights of 2006?

The Margo win for Pac means nothing.

 

That Margo would still make the Judah that Floyd fought cry.

 

Margarito has shown that's not really all he was when he had the hard pad inserts.

 

Really? He couldn't make the unranked and unskilled 2010 Roberto Garcia quit/cry but he would make a top ranked fighter in 2006 cry?

Fascinating.

 

so, what does this prove that mayweather is too small for welter? what?

 

Clottey beat up Baldomir (before the DQ) and Judah. Margarito and Clottey fought a pretty close fight. I don't know how you can argue Judah and Baldomir are more talented than those two. Just because a fighter gets a belt (which they proceed to lose on their first defense) doesn't mean they are a risky fight. We all know politics play a large part in setting up title fights and talented fighters are often avoided.

 

We are talking about the times that Floyd fought Judah and Baldo versus when Manny fought Clottey and Margo.

Prime Margo and Clottey are probably better than Prime Judah and Baldo together but that is not what we are talking about.

Let's cancel out Floyd-Judah and Manny-Clottey because Clottey didn't really deteriorate or anything (but he didn't show up to win), that's generous for the Pac side of the argument IMO since Judah was supposed to be the guy to beat Floyd and nobody expecting anything from Clottey.

Floyd beating Baldo is a better win when it happened than Pac beating Margo when it happened. I am not talking from a fan interest level or anything, but a realistic threat and bigger win. Everyone knew Pac was going to spark the Margo after getting exposed and looking like dog**** in his previous two fights while Baldo was the champ and perceived to be a legitimate threat after a long winning streak and a style that was supposed to present Floyd with problems.

Again, I am not talking about name recognition or who had the better career.

Anyway, I am not expecting anything logical in terms of debating other than "silly *****" but most of these folks didn't watch boxing in the mid 00's.

 

The top ranked fighter that lost to a guy with 9 losses in a tune up fight.

 

Margarito and Clottey would and one has beaten Judah, but Judah would cause more trouble to Floyd than both of them. He's more of a stylistic nightmare to Floyd than those two.
Judah lost most of his size pretty much because of his opponent's size. Mayweather was smaller than Judah when they fought.
Mayweather was going against a faster, more powerful, counterpuncher, who was slightly bigger and a southpaw.

 

So 9 is bad.

What about 6?

 

Margarita has never been that good...B level fighter at best and thats only cus he can take punishment better than most

 

Add in hard pads.




Take them away, he goes back to sucking.

 

None of those 9 were anybody. All of the 6 you're referring to (Mosley) all were prominent boxers.

 

Look when Baldomir got them. 7 years prior to facing Mayweather.




Did Baldomir even have an amateur career?

 

Nothing but speculation. No way someone like Judah beats Margarito.