Shavers: NOT the hardest punching heavyweight of all time

Prety darn highly.

He might just be Shavers twin in terms of power.

 

I highly doubt so many people would say Shavers puncher harder just to make themselves look better.

Tillis has also said that Shavers punched harder than Tyson, so who knows. Like I said earlier though, Holmes said just minutes after he was stopped by Tyson that Shavers punched harder, but Tyson was a much sharper puncher.

Some may spew BS, but at the same time, who's to say that even though fighter A on a whole punched harder than fighter B, maybe fighter B landed a punch on the common oponent than was harder than anything fighter A landed on them.

I believe Archie Moore said that Yvon Durrelle hit him harder than Marciano, which I can believe because Moore was able to roll with the vast majority of Rocky's shots, which took a lot of steem off of the punches. But Yvon managed to nail Archie with a clean shot that Archie didn't see that could've been harder than any of the punches Marciano landed.

As was said either in this thread or the other Shavers thread, Cobb stated that Norton hit him with a punch that was just as hard as anything Shavers hit him with, but the difference was that Shavers hit him that hard repeatedly.

 

Pretty much it in a nutshell. People often point to the Holmes fight as evidence.

 

i think it's a fair comparison.

however, on the downside bert sugar has said the same thing so how true can it really be...:!:

 

But Moore was able to take the best Durrelle had to offer, but he could not take Marciano's power. Thats about all one needed to know who hit harder between the two imo.

 

Foreman generally hit harder. Shavers relied on a roundhouse, over the top, right that may or may not land.

 

Agree with this post. I prefer to break it down by punch.

Foreman overall has the most power from both hands if one were to measure them equally. Shavers right hand is harder than George's which I believe, but his left hand is not as strong as George's. Liston's left jab and left hook are considered by many to be harder and heavier than George's, but Liston's right hand doesn't quite match George's. Lyle punched hard with both hands too but he's below Foreman in overall power. Again Lyle's left hand just might be harder than Shavers' but his right is not as powerful a punch as Shavers'.

Shavers right hand is universally considered as the most devastating right hand in heavyweight history. If it's not, it's right near the top 2 of all time, at worst #3 all time.

 

I think Shavers is the hardest puncher but because he didn't have a great career, it's easy to disregard it. He had a hard punch but nothing else.

 

It is a little worrying to find myself saying the same thing as Bert Sugar.

 

Ali fought liston and foreman, and he said Shavers was the hardest puncher he's fought.

Holmes who also had a very good chin also said Shavers was the hardest puncher he's fought. I take their opinion very seriously considering they fought shavers and other very hard punchers.

 

I asked Tillis on Facebook who the hardest puncher was, and he said Earnie.

Anyway, I personally am content with the notion that in terms of one-punch devastation, Earnie was the man. It's just too bad that he didn't have the other stuff to back it up. People have already written about the panic he'd get into once he got a guy hurt, and how those wild haymakers would miss and just wear Earnie out. That's all true. He wasn't calm enough to be a great finisher, and some of that I think came from being aware that his stamina wasn't great, and that he had to jump at his chance.
Earnie had a good jab, and on some occasions even some good combinations, but too often in the heat of battle he'd forget to use them and would rely on the heavy right. If after a knockdown he took the time to set the opponent up with the jab, or do some feinting, he'd have done better and would've landed the follow-up bomb to end the fight.
Nevertheless, I'll state it once again: I think he deserved to be champ in Sept. 77.

 

If other fighters constantly threw haymakers, some would eventually land.
They probably would gather knockouts doing this. The punches would be hard
but the complete punching package would not be there.

 

ahh he was one of the hardest punchers

but who is to say he is for sure a hard puncher then

elmer "violent"ray
max baer
david tua
dempsey
turkey thompson
tyson
etc

the list is long

 

Shavers had only one thing to be known for, his punching power, so it got all the attention.
He was very hard puncher, but needed guys who stood in front of him, and guys with strong chins stood up to his punches --Lyle, Stander, even Stallings, a light heavy, who not only took his best shot, but beat him, as did Stander and Lyle.

 

Baer is definitely up there but realize both these cats committed to their punches with abandon. It was pure kill or be killed mentality, not the stuff a good trainer would want you to bring into the ring. Both left enormous openings when their Sunday best did not land.