jack dempsey vs joe luis

Yes I agree, the best fantasy fight of all time.

 

This one has been done to death.

Anyway, I think Dempsey poses some risk early, but if Joe stays cool, he dominates more and more as the fight goes on.

Joe wins by clear UD or perhaps a stoppage.

Different level of skill altogether.

 

Given Joe Louis's tendency to get decked early on occasion, there is always the possibility of Dempsey scoring a knockdown or two. But at the end of the day, I can't think of anything else to make Jack the favorite. Louis was far and above better than anyone Dempsey ever fought. He brought an entirely new game to the table, with his combination of great athleticism and unmatched punching skill. Jack could land some big shots no doubt, but he did not have the craftiness that Schmeling or Charles had, neither of whom beat Louis when he was at his best anyway. I see a very crowd pleasing fight with both men potentially ending up on the canvas at some point, and Louis finishing as the winner sometime in the mid rounds.

 

C, your post HAD to be said. :good:good:good

 

Dempsey for me.

 

Dempsey was fighting Willard pretty tight till just before the third knock down; basically, Jack started flinging when Willards defences had crumbled.

I do agree, though, that if Jack started making hay on a reeling Louis it could backfire on Dempsey. Dempsey needs to keep disciplined, maybe especially if things start to go his way.

As for the fight, I favor Louis, but Oh so slightly. Jack inside would be bad for Louis, and prime Dempsey had a combination of whiskers, drive and weave that makes a phone booth fight impossible to rule out.

 

Why would we care what most of these sports writers opinion is when we've probably seen more Dempsey footage than them ourselves? Bottom line Dempsey's defense was often open, he was often caught because of that, he had problems with jabs, often winged his punches and could be counter punched. Not to mention he was flattered by cherry picked opponents

Louis's straighter punches and more disciplined boxing see him land first in a shoot out to score the KO

 

The opinions I am referring to are those who watched Dempsey fight live and in person or in the ring with him.

 

Louis stops him in the mid rounds.

 

Memory and watching live is not as good as watching it filmed. The view of a fight isn't as good, opinion is swayed by the crowd. Memory is considered one of the least reliable evidences in court and the longer removed from an event the worse it get's hence the statute of limitations.

Watching film of the fights gives every bit as much insight if not more

 

So your argument is that these men who watched Dempsey and every other fighter and fought in the ring with him are swayed by the crowd and that they are incorrect in believing that Dempsey is the best they'd ever seen because why? Do you believe it's possible that there was more film on Dempsey at one time that perhaps these men saw? Nobody knows but your argument is poor.

If it is their opinion that he is the best, who are you to say that they're wrong and it's for other reason's?

 

Joe Louis, for reasons other people have already stated. He's bigger, faster and craftier. Dempsey would pose a threat to any heavyweight ever, and would have a real chance at pulling an upset, but an upset it would be.
He wasn't as good as Louis, and about that I think there's no question.

 

No it's easier for us today to get boxing film than it was for the old timers. Old timers didn't even have a TV, a VHS, let alone an array of film to download or youtube where they can watch a fighter instantly. They are simply relying on memory and word of mouth.

I've been to plenty of boxing matches and the view is rarely very good, nowhere near as good as a TV set. So no seeing a fighter live does not rate over viewing the film footage. Old timers like moderners are as influenced by the media and who their favourate was as much if not more so over reasonable analysis.

As for people that shared a ring with him, some how I doubt Greb, Tunney, Meehan, Miske thought that highly of his ability to call him the best ever given they all got the better of him and I doubt Sharkey would either

 

Actualy Sharkey and Tunney both spoke verry highly of him.

They knew he was shot, but they could see what had been there before.

 

Dempsey wasn't shot, he didn't look shot for 1 thing, he was only 31, in shape and hadn't had much in terms of ring wear. He was stepping in against the 2 best men he ever faced He was about shot as Ali was in FOTC imo

After sharing a ring with both of them, Greb didn't give Dempsey a chance against Tunney before they fought. Sharkey and Tunney were merely talking kindly about a celebrity champ imo.