Demetrius Andrade: Another fighter ruined by the Amateur system

This is not rocket science. There is clearly a point where having too many amateur fights can hurt a fighter. First off there is just the fact that it reinforces bad habits. You can be penalized for rolling and slipping punches because the amateur system sees it as risky due to head butts. The system seldom counts body shots. The overwhelming Olympic champs are the hit and move fighters which is not necessarily the most effective pro style. There is no reward for power punching. The scoring is all about touching an opponent which will not wear down a fighter in a 12 round title fight. You keep reinforcing this and it is habit maybe even instinct.

Also having 200 or 300 amateur fights puts heavy mileage on a fighter.

It is not that the some of the fighter can not be retrained but compare it to the old days. Holyfield, Leonard, Ali and many other greats jumped right into the elite level competition after amatuer careers that were like pro. Now you are taking pro gold medalist / olympic fighters like Ward - Andrade moving along very slowly on a relative basis years because you have to get the amateur habits out. Basically you have to teach them to box the real way. There is a reason for example Ward can not finish a completely overmatched fighter like Abraham. That is the amateur habits.

 

You haven't watched amateur boxing for ahwile have you? Only clear power shots that snap the other guys head back get counted now, there is alot more infighting and body shots than a few years ago. The scores are low and from 2013 the headgear is gone, which if you've boxed before you'd know makes little difference anyway. American amateurs are shite, Andrade and the like fight with the hit and run style in the ams and the pros. Look at the amateur fighter Lomachenko and you'll see a guy with speed and power who has mastered every facet of boxing, there isn't a pro boxer out there who is as polished and skilled as him.
Don't get your shitty American boxers who throw pitty pat punches from the outside confused as being what amateurs are, that's the American style that is responsible for you guys not being able to win anything in the amateurs for years. Go watch some Russian boxers, look at the fighter Artur Beterbiev and tell me that amateurs aren't strong and can't punch

 

You haven't seen Lomachenko obviously. Watch some video and educate yourself. I like watching Rios, he's a decently skilled fighter and a warrior for sure but Lomachenko's skills and athleticism are in a different stratosphere, Rios would get mashed.

 

Here's an introduction for you buddy :good
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmdKFACfBDQ&feature=related[/ame]

 

Dude just admit that you haven't watched amateur boxing in years. He already trains full time, has money coming in and after he wins another gold medal in London you'll see him turn pro and absolutely dominate. He stopped his opponent in the gold medal match at Beijing, pretty impressive since his opponent had head gear on :yep
As I said before, only clear power shots count now in amateur boxing. People are people and boxers are boxers, you hit the other guy more than he hits you and you win. This thread is ****, you're ignorant.
Say "Another fighter ruined by the AMERICAN amateur system". Roach is apparently training the American team now, I suspect that he's not going to be able to do anything for them though.
The best amateurs become the best pros, just look through the history of the sport.

 

It's hit Broner the worst IMO, he's so much more technically flawed than Andrade, and his style significantly more amatuer-influenced. Maybe those 300 fights didn't do him all that good?

 

What's an amateur style? All fighters have a different style, amateur or not. The American amateurs tend to have a general style of trying to use their athletic abilities and ignoring technique while boxing almost exclusively from the outside, they carry it into the pros and that's why you see fighters like Andrade. They are like less skilled versions of Cuban fighters.

 

stop bitching the ams are getting rid of the headgear and computer soon

 

He was worse against Fernando Quintero, have you seen that one? Looked really amateur in that fight, his foot placement, the way he threw his punches (looked like he couldn't handle his own speed), was clueless on the inside too. It was worse than the De Leon performance IMO.