Benn: Roy Jones will be my last fight, gonna have War with him

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  1. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Where would the fight have been held?
    Should have been the UK as Benn was the more established SMW with the better resume.
    Jones wouldnt have dared travel and we know from experience that American SMWs dont do well in big fights in Europe.
    Andrade (fights out of America), Johnson (fights out of America), Lacy, Taylor, Sheika, Butler, Mitchell, Brewer, Manfredo, Dirrell etc Thats only a few the list goes on
     
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  2. pootytang

    pootytang New Member Full Member

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    What? Jones is probably the greatest SM of all time. No one remembers Nigel Benn in 20 years. RJJ is in the HOF in 20 years.
     
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  3. atberry

    atberry Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Benn's problem was he had a **** trainer post-Tibbs, Kevin Sanders, a 'yes' man. He basically had no tactics in the last half-dozen fights of his career. He beat a far better Malinga the first time with just 3-4 weeks training by out-jabbing him and switching to the body - second time he just walked in without a jab, only head-hunting, and got boxed to pieces. In the Collins fights - the same, no jab, no body shots, just walked in swinging.

    The Benn who bashed up Galvano in Italy (without missing a punch), who looked to have beaten Eubank and boxed Wharton's ears off, and countered brave Giminez to pieces with counter-punches alone, under Jimmy Tibbs, was 10 times the boxer he was at the end. He still had all his hand and foot speed, all his body and head movement, all his punching technique/power (see the leverages he got into his single left hooks on Collins!) and timing (see perfectly-timed counter overhand rights to KD Perez and Malinga), all his accuracy (see six-punch combination to KD Nardiello into ropes with every shot landing clean on head, and pin-point body shots to KD Perez into ropes)... he just didn't have any f-in tactics and thus was punching off-balance instead of jabbing his way in, switching his attacks downstairs and looking to counter more than lead (like he did successfully under Graham Moughton/Tibbs in early-mid 90s while looking a million dollars in the process..).
     
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  4. atberry

    atberry Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    No disrespect but Roy Jones is unknown in the UK. EVERYONE knew and still remembers Nigel Benn!
     
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  5. atberry

    atberry Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    As I'm sure they do in America, too.
     
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  6. MichiganWarrior

    MichiganWarrior Still Slick! Still Black! Full Member

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    He didnt look good against Malinga. :rofl
     
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  7. SouthpawJab

    SouthpawJab On his way up!! 4-0!! Full Member

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    Roy has always been spooked from overseas fighting because of his Olympic fiasco. Add into that he was a P4P ranked American star, and he wasn't leaving the States tofight.
     
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  8. pootytang

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    Even during his run as #1 P4P?
     
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  9. bailey

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    :lol: what for beating Toney who has a terrible SMW resume and who looked lucky to many against Tiberi, R Johnson and Sosa, couldnt beat old McCallum at first ask, couldnt beat S Williams, yeah top.
    You rate Jones for that win as one of the best :patsch.
     
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  10. bailey

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    P4P is just a subjective thing made up by the Ring magazine which focuses on American fighters, they had Dawson as a top P4Per recently :nut
     
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  11. bailey

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    Sure he did, some fighters look good against certain fighters but not others like Jones didnt at first ask against novice midget M Griffin who got beat most of the time he stepped up
     
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  12. sportofkings

    sportofkings Boxing Junkie banned

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    Aside from beating James Toney, Jones didnt do a whole lot at super-middleweight. Benn has a far better resume at the weight imo.
     
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  13. pootytang

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    I don't know any Americans that think Jones was even beatable at SM. The greatest fighter I've ever seen, his combination of speed, accuracy and power was other worldly. A born fighter.

    He didn't even get a real loss until he moved up to HW and destroyed his career.
     
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  14. atberry

    atberry Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Yes, nobody knew Jones outside of die-hard boxing fans.

    Benn used to have 15-20 million watching him every fight in the UK (when the UK population was 55mill).
     
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  15. sportofkings

    sportofkings Boxing Junkie banned

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    we are ranking on resume here, not talent.
     
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