Joe Choynski bio. Says Goddard beats JL Sullvian at the time he fought Goddard.

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Didnt Jeffries also say that the shot Choynski pushed his tooth into his lip with was the hardest punch he ever felt as well?

 

Prety much everybody said that Choynski was the hardest hitter they faced.

The pattern is inescapable.

 

Although it is possible that Choynski gave contradictory statements, I have a quote from Choynski in 1892 saying that Sullivan would take Goddard. These quotes are in John L. Sullivan: The Career of the First Gloved Heavyweight Champion:

While in Australia, Joe Choynski told the press there that Sullivan was the king of the ring and could defeat Goddard, Jackson, Slavin, or anyone else. “I don’t think the man ever put on a glove who could have a look in it with him when he’s well, and you can take what I’m telling you for Gospel, and good Gospel at that.”

When asked by Smiler, a well known Australian writer, whether Sullivan could land his right swing on a big shifty fellow with a good jab like Jackson, Choynski responded,

"You have never seen Sully fight, Smiler. His right arm don’t do any swinging; it comes across like a flash of lightning with a jerk, and if he misses he’s so quick you can’t get your head out of range before it’s back ready for another shot at your jaw, and how it does fly, ping, ping. I think he’ll land on Jackson right enough if he meets him….

People in this country don’t understand the color line, and therefore they can’t grip Sullivan’s prejudice against Jackson properly, but you may rest easy that John is afraid of no man breathing. Personally, I wish he would fight Jackson, for I know how long the fight would last, and who would win it."

Choynski had seen Jackson fight and had even sparred him, so he had a basis for his opinion. Although Choynski himself did not draw the color line, he understood Sullivan’s position and did not believe it was due to fear.

As for Joe Goddard, Choynski complimented him as a good fighter because the Australian had twice defeated Choynski via KO4 in 1891, although he had managed to deck Goddard. However, Choynski also said,

"I don’t think he’d have a ghost of a show with Sullivan. You see, it’s this way. Sullivan is quicker than I am, and he hits with terrible power. If I’d a tenth of Sullivan’s force I’d have beaten Goddard both times I fought him, but I hadn’t it. Now, it’s easy to figure it out. I think, honestly, that John would smash him down with very little trouble."

Primary source: Sydney Referee, September 23, 1891.

 

I had read the last bit of the quote before ,nice to have the whole thing and in its context, perhaps the words ,"when he is well," are crucial here ?.Is it possible Choynski may have said both quotes and not only believed them at the time, but been referring to Sullivan's physical condition in each? The statement you give is certainly a most ringing endorsement of Sullivan and not only his power, but his rapid effectiveness at landing with it.

 

I think that you would be making a grave mistake if you took your own boxrec calculation over the testimonies of the people who were actualy on the receiving end of these punches.

The fact that a given fighter is a more proven finisher than another, does not by any mean imply that he is the harder puncher. Also, the more you delve into Chopynski's fights the more you will see that he only had to kiss his opponents to put them on ***** street. I would certainly call your last point into question. Choynski's problem was not som much the fact that he couldn't give a punch as the fact that he couldn't take one.

 

I believe the debate is if Choynski was a terrific puncher and the answer is without question.

 

Janitor, I believe you have nailed it with this sentence.:good

 

The general opinion in the media/public at the time was that Peter Maher hit harder that either Fitz or Choynski but was not as adept at getting the hit in-a la Shaver I suppose.

 

That may well have been the public/media's opinion, but it was not Corbett's or Fitz''s, both of whom fought Choynski and Maher.

 

This link gives Tracy Callis's take on Choynski.


http://www.fightbeat.com/article_detail.php?AT=480

 

First I would like to hear you explain why Bob Satterfield had such a low KO percentage?

Quality of opposition kills KO percentage.