Imagine we're back in 2003 and Jones has just emerged victorious from his fight with Ruiz. "My days at 175 are over" he shouts "I'm gonna make a name at heavy and chase Lewis". Now ofcourse Lewis will soon retire and Vitali will soon get injured, Wlad will lose to Brewster. Jones's run of opponents would be Tyson and Holy (big money fights, any order) if he wins them it would be vs James Toney (big grduge rematch) and if he emerges victorious, by this stage (2005) it would be him vs Byrd in a big unification match to determine the king of the division. The question is, would Jones best these 4 men and become the king? would he then retire on top or defend against Wlad? In this parallel universe you have to decide if you think his decline was due to weight loss or age. How would Jones fare in this parallel universe?
My pick is this: he beats tyson and holy because, let's face it, they're shot now. but I think toney does a number on him at HW, so it would then be Toney vs Byrd for the crown. I think Toney beats Byrd who by this point is past his best also.
**** Luf, I really dont know about this....Jones's Heavyweight run against Ruiz is talked about a lot, But i'l give my take.... Tyson- Hard to say, All Mike did in 03 was fight a buckled clifford etienne, He was in good shape, Could Roy handle a monster left from Mike? Or does he make Tyson look silly & easily outpoint him after Tyson gasses midway? (even as a Tyson fan, from 99-05 he wasnt conditioned for 12rounds) Holyfield - This Could be an interesting fight, Holy was still mobile enough in 03 (compared to 2011 atsch) He may have enough left in the tank plus superior ring I.Q to take this fight with roy to the trenches, & thats where he'd likely outsmart a cocky jones... Toney - Has the potential to be a *******, we know toney would be counter-punching like a madman, & if Roy was confident & letting his hands go like he normally did someone could be hitting the canvas.... i really think 2003 Toney can take this either way, points or KO Byrd - Im leaving that one alone
well obviously his return to lhw didn't exactly work out for him so at the very worst he's losing to people in a division he doesn't belong in. Tyson - for the first 4 rounds very dangerous, but jopnes is fast enough to stay on the outside maybe forcing a stoppage about the 11th when Tyson is completely gassed. Holyfield - his strength in his post Lewis career has been mobility and timing, both of which this version of roy could better him at imo. I see Roy taking a wide UD. Toney - between 03 and 06 Toney was one of the best heavies in the world and I genuinely think he could take Roy here. Byrd - If jones made it this far he's basically a slightly better version of Byrd by now, probably more outside defence orientated though. byrd had lost a step by now and a loss was almost imminent. jones or Toney beats this Byrd IMO.
Upon beatin Ruiz, he was supposed to face Corrie Sanders after Corrie's win with Wlad in 2003, but the fight never materialized. Chris Byrd was also a top fighter in those days holding one of the belts. Its far more likely that one or both of these guys would have been his next opponent(s), rather than Tyson, Holyfield or Toney. Although a rematch with James might have raised an eyebrow or two. Personally I think he could have decisioned Byrd in a close ( and probably controversial ) fight. But facing Sanders right after he just sparked Wlad would have dangerous. I don't see Jones lasting long at this level. Especially given that he was still under 200 lbs and now 34 years of age.
well in this parallel universe he takes the two money fights first to allow him to acclimatise to the weight better. how you see him doing vs tyson, holyfield and toney?
Lewis and Tyson would have killed him. Holyfield probably does too. Jones knew it as soon as Ruiz landed that righthand on him, thats why he never fought at heavyweight again.
Fair enough, I think duplicating his win over James Toney would have been a very tough proposition for him at that stage. Both men were past their best, but Toney was probably better suited for that class, especially with the aid of steroids. Tyson, although shot would have been dangerous due to the fact that he still had that one punch KO power. Holyfield is probably the only the fighter that Id pick him to beat, given that styles and how badly Holy had been outboxed by slower boxers than Jones in Donald and Byrd.
Well Tyson has a lot of power but lost his ability to deliver Jones has been KO'd a lot so if Tyson can get to him he can do it would jones get to cocky and comfortable i dont know Jones on points id bet Holyfield was outboxed by Byrd a yr or two earlier for the IBF but Byrd still took some good shots in the process tougher one Id pick Jones but not confidently Toney was a guy Jones schooled prime 4 prime and toney would only be older and slower i see a simialr result Byrd good speed match up of counter punchers i see a boring careful fight like williamson or a close win like tarver one if he were to stick around to face wlad i think wlad would beat him
that's why I restricted it to tyson-holy-toney-byrd he wouldn't be dramatically undersized vs any of them imo. against the super heavies I see no way he wins. the Tyson who beat ettiene and fought williams, I think roy can avoid him during the first 4 and pot shot him late on.
honestly I see the tyson and holy fights as somewhat of an easy pickings matchup for jones at that stage. toney and byrd would be difficult because both would be better suited at the weight and style than jones, but I think byrd would have declined too much gby the time jones got to him.
I agree with Jones beating Holyfield... At that point, Evander was just too immobile, and if you remember the Chris Byrd fight, he looked like a dump truck stuck in the mud. Tyson was shot to pieces and may very well have been outboxed by Jones, but there is always the prospect that Mike may have landed a few big shots on the button, and I don't think Jones had the chin to stand up to a heavyweight shot of that magnitude
I totally agree, not many heavies full stop would stand up to a huge tyson hook in the first 4 at that point. I just don't think he'd catch jones imho.
Its possible that Jones could have beaten most of the very best heavys of that period, and then again he could have lost to almost all of them as well. Its really too difficult to come up with any reasonable conclusions as to what he'd do with only one fight at that class, and one that came against one of the weakest competitors of the upper tier.