The 7 HW Wonders Of The World

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  1. The MesserStick

    The MesserStick DavidTua.net Blows Full Member

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    There were 8 but Adamek is ready to rock and roll with Vitali next. He is both the #1 contender in the WBC and the WBO for Wladdy.

    The next 7 guys are the only men in the world ranked to face both Klitschko Brothers. Lots of guys are ranked to face one or the other, but this list is rather exclusive. I guess you could say that these are the 7 best positioned HW's in the world.

    I guess we will go in order of rankings, and by extension, best positioned.

    1. Chris Arreola, #2 to Viatli and #4 to Wladdy in the IBF.

    2. Alexander Dinitrenko, #3 to Vitali and #4 to Wladdy in the WBO.

    3. Denis Boytsov, #6 to Vitali, #4 to Wladdy in the WBA.

    4. Robert Helenius, #13 to Vitali, #2 to Wlad in the WBO.

    5. Jonathon Banks, #5 to Vitali, #10 to Wlad in the IBF.

    6. Chauncy Welliver, #8 to Vitali, #11 to Wlad in the WBO

    7. Kubrat Pulev, #14 to Vitali, #12 to Wlad in the WBO.

    There are a few guys in line multiple times for Wladdy, but they are all below #15 in the WBC. Speaking of #15 WBC, Tyson Fury may enter this group in the next month if the WBO ranks him for defeating Chisora. But he isn't ranked yet.

    Arreola is 30 and has already been beaten by Vitali, but he appears to be getting more out of himself now, as his weight is improving, and he is nicely in line for another shot. Besides him, only Pulev is 30. Banks and Dimitrenko are 29, Welliver is 28, Helenius is 27, and Boytsov is 25. If Fury enters next month, he is 23!

    So, none of these guys have to be in hurry up mode. But, there is a vacuum today which seems to suck HW contenders up and into K2 matches without them really having the seasoning to compete with the brothers. They are definitely not getting the same seasoning K2 did before they started fighting for titles.

    So, where do these guys go? Straight into K2 fights? Follow Helenius path and try to establish yourself against the last generation of contenders? Fight eachother?

    And who is going to come up behind these guys? They are already basicly the youth of the division. But at the same time they are the contenders.

    If K2 each fought 3 times in the next year, they could wipe out most of this list. Outside of Arreola vs Wladimir, I don't even think most of those fights would sell all that well. Not unless they were able to make some noise in the interim.

    Which leads me to a plea to K2.

    Please start managing your division better. Can we get some major HW fights on your undercards? Every undercard you guys have done is **** since the Vitali vs Sam Peter comeback card in Berlin. Will you please start spending some money on developing the division and your future opponents? You pretty much deserve to pay to straighten out this mess from your own pockets. You have set a very bad precedent in your opponent selection and eliminated the incentive for contenders to fight top contender level matches before you sign them. You have went so low as to sign a 14 fight novice to challenge Wladimir, not once, but twice! Now you boys need to pony up the money to sort this crap.

    I advise you to stop taking on these young guys and to clean up the dinosaurs of the division first. Not 1 voluntary should go to these young guys. I also advise that you sign up some of the named dinosaurs to fight some of these young guys on your undercards. I would also like to see K2 come out and apologize to HW fans for their blatant mismanagement of the division and for them to make a statement to the young HW's. No more shots until you have proven you belong!

    I'm 1 of the biggest fans in the world of Chauncy Welliver. But the man needs to beat a Tua, Rahman, Toney or Meehan before he faces a Klitschko. Or he needs a showdown with a younger gun like Arreola, Fury or Leapai. But thanks to K2, these types of fights are now few and far between, people are so close to a K2 match, without doing anything, that they can smell it. They act like they are not hungry, because they can smell that German buffet in the near distance.

    Shut down the buffet! Fatten up these undercards! And let these HW's develop into serious challenges. Trying to recruit Tyson Fury right now is a frigging crime against HW boxing fans. He is willing to fight the other contenders, to be active and to work his way up. But Waldo is trying to cherry pick him before he has the seasoning to compete. Please cut that **** out and realize the errors of your ways K2.
     
  2. sadlittleboy

    sadlittleboy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    How can you blame the Klitschkos (and lets remember they aren't spring chickens) for the fact the division is crap? They tried building up Banks and Ustinov and got slaughtered for trying to make their own contenders.
     
  3. The MesserStick

    The MesserStick DavidTua.net Blows Full Member

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    I pretty much stated why I blame them. Their undercards have been ****. Their choices of opponents have been ****. And then in response to their actions, most every HW contender in the world has geared it down.

    When Chisora only has to beat Sam Sexton, Briggs has to beat nobody, Johnson has to beat Vargas, Sosnowski doesn't even have to beat Audley(they both get shots instead). Well then, besides Adamek who did way more than he had to, by choice, nobody else is really tearing up other top Hw's to get there anymore. And he is a CW.

    Speaking of CW's. They did the same BS to Haye. They inked him before he did anything....and then he burned them hard. By the time they did fight, he had done plenty, but when they signed the 1st time, he had done nothing.

    If you can't see what kind of effects their actions are having on the division, I don't know what to tell you. If you can't see how horribly wrong it is for these guys to try offering Tyson Fury a voluntary at this stage, I don't know what to say. Their actions as champions is not what I would consider good management.
     
  4. rapidfire

    rapidfire Well-Known Member Full Member

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    How did this Welliver guy earn that ranking ? That´s laughable, dude his beaten only bums so far.
     
  5. Ovee

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    Yea I'll be honest a Klitschko v Fury fight right now is not the way to go. He's too young and too fresh. It sucks when 40+ match fighters fight bellow 20 match fighters. Fury will lose that fight on experience alone.
     
  6. The MesserStick

    The MesserStick DavidTua.net Blows Full Member

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    Part of his opponent problem is directly caused by K2. The guy has WBC and WBO titles that he can defend on 4 continents. He sat for a year and a half as interim WBO Asia Pacific Champion to David Tua. He didn't sit, he defended the interim while Tua sat. He also won WBC Asian and Continental America's titles, and he defends those like crazy.

    He should have had matches in the last year vs Tua, Meehan, Leapai or some Americans like Arreola, Toney, Rahman, or the others. God knows he has made enough noise trying to do so. He pissed Arreola off calling him out on radio, he has been haunting the top dogs Down Under trying to get fights, and he has brought HW boxing back to China to try and get some of that hustle behind his muscle.

    I am the 1st guy to admit Welliver needs to do more. But dudes need to be willing to fight for that to happen. He is not 1 of the guys sitting. He regulalrly gives other HW's a crack at a Top 10 HW. Where is his shot?
     
  7. Bubby

    Bubby Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    At #8 and #11, he has zero chance of fighting either one anytime soon.....
     
  8. Dorfmeister

    Dorfmeister Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    How can anyone refer to these as wonders? Pulev, Fury, Chisora and Welliver are unproven at that level, Banks is a CW who was demolished by Adamek back there, Dimitrenko was beaten bad by a blown up cruiser in Chambers, Arreola was stuck until he was taken out by his own corner in a title attempt, ever since he was also beaten by Adamek, Boytsov and Helenius are big question marks even tho they're promising... This Division in my opinion is all about who takes it after Vitali and Wladimir are gone and it may be well either Povetkin, Chagaev, Valuev or even... Yes, David Haye.
     
  9. The MesserStick

    The MesserStick DavidTua.net Blows Full Member

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    And to be fair to K2....I also place blame on Team Haye and Team Povetkin. They declined their shots when they had them and kind of forced K2 into making some decisions before the fighters had made them theirselves.

    But, I am also mad at K2 for losing my HBO HW coverage. Early on they needed to cremate USA names on HBO like Holyfield and Toney. Wlad supposedly fighting James Toney now, and he did petition the IBF for him during the Chisora charade, instead of fighting him years ago is a joke. Grabbing Kevin Johnson because he talks after Vargas instead of wiping out Toney was a joke. Put the little loud mouth on your undercard vs 1of the 7 HW wonders of the world or something.

    I just think that K2 can do a much better job. I'd rather see him wipe up Toney, Tua, winner of Meehan/McCall and build some guys for the next shots. I do not want to see Tyson Fury, Boytsov and Helenius moved in right now. They need more time and seasoning. And exposure. K2 can build these guys up much better than they have.
     
  10. The MesserStick

    The MesserStick DavidTua.net Blows Full Member

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    I wonder what is going to happen to em. I wonder what they could become with the time and matches to build themselves up.

    I like Arreola off that list as a title challenger and I'd like to see the rest get more time.

    And Chisora is not a wonder....we know what he is now. Unwilling to train at 27 years old. Unable to deal with a very young, raw, and lacking in top training Fury. The entire UK scene has been given way too much credit and HW love than they deserve recently. I want to see Fury be able to become the 1st UK HW to have a single good domestic win since Tyson. Which is, of course, outside of Haye. Even though I scored his WBA conquering match for Valuev.
     
  11. sadlittleboy

    sadlittleboy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's not down the Klitschko's to create contenders, it's down to fighters to create themselves. The Klitschkos were putting on under-cards with Banks and Ustinov and being slated for trying to create these two as challengers but the problem is that no one is good enough to challenge.

    Challengers need to become a threat on their own, like Adamek has done and like Povetkin seemed to, for a while. Unless someone beats an Adamek/Arreola/Chagaev/Povetkin/Chambers on their own then they won't deserve a title fight. Are we meant to see K2 dealing with 2 other promoters to get fights on their undercards?

    They are 35? and 40? Like they care about how the division will look in 3 years time, when they are both retired. The division looks like it will be healthy with competition in 5 years as long as Helenius, Gerber, Pulev, Glazkov, Fury and co AREN'T rushed into title fights. It's not really the Klitschko's fault that anyone they fight would be beaten with ease.

    Your right they did ink Haye as soon as he went up, though I think that had more to do with Haye's mouth and the escalator incident, don't forget that Wlad said "You have a fight and let me fight my mandatory's" (or something to that effect), it's not Wlad's problem that Haye accosted him.

    As much as the division is crap, between the Klitschko's you'll only see 5 or 6 shows a years that simply isn't enough to create a credible conetender due to how poor the rest of the division is...and the risk that any of them could lose to anyone.

    What mythical match ups should they be putting on their cards anyway?...
     
  12. The MesserStick

    The MesserStick DavidTua.net Blows Full Member

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    Matches like Helenius vs Lyahovich would be nice. That also ups the reasonability of me seeing them on USA TV. Toss Welliver vs Toney on an undercard. Welliver vs Leapai, Leapai vs Meehan, Tua vs Arreola, Rahman vs Fury, Boytsov vs Holyfield. Any type of bigger named guys vs the up and comers. If the bigger names win, then you smash a Holyfield or a Toney or a Tua. If the young guns win, they are then much more promotable challengers down the road. Kevin Johnson vs Boswell, Tony Thompson would have been a very good challenger to any guy along the way. His upcoming fight with Chambers is a worthy match for a contender.

    Put Sam Peter's fat arse on some cards vs some more up and comers. If Briggs wants back in let him face a comer. Bring Frans Botha in for a young gun. Michael Grant, Tye Fields.

    A lot of these guys do not have big time promoters to haggle with. If the money is ok, the exposure is great, and the opportunities for the winners are there, lots of good stuff can happen for the division. Give us some 3 and 4 fight cards with good HW fights.
     
  13. The MesserStick

    The MesserStick DavidTua.net Blows Full Member

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    And they could do split site cards for us if they had to appease promoters. Let the big promoters handle their own gates and guys but cut some deals to get their fights on your TV dates.
     
  14. Lampley

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    I share your sorrow at the state of the division, but I strongly disagree with the notion that the best course is to keep people like Holyfield and Toney in contention. Those guys need to be sent to pasture along with Grant, Tua, Rahman and all the other relics of the 1990s.

    Let these young guys duke it out and earn a shot the way Adamek did. Really, I don't foresee much drama until Vitali retires for good and Wladimir ages a bit more. I think HW could get interesting around 2013-14, but until then it's mostly an afterthought.
     
  15. SimplyTheBest

    SimplyTheBest Heavyweight Destroyer Full Member

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    Please Welliver has done nothing besides come on an internet forum and whine. His calling out (more like begging) Arreola for a fight was ridiculous.
    Knocking over bums in West Virginia and China is not opening anyone's eyes.

    Those guys you mentioned ARE willing to fight I'm sure, but they are not going to fight for free. Welliver and his garage band of a team bring NO money to the table. He wants all these names to get in the ring with him, but he wants them to foot the bill also and that's not realistic when you're talking about other top 15 rated fighters with established promoters.

    Even out of those names, which the majority are 38+ and shot...a win over any of them still wouldn't qualify Welliver for a legitimate shot at a Klitschko.