Better finisher: Ali or Tyson?

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If you're talking finisher as a statistic of a knockout or tko recorded versus opposition, Ali is certainly better.

Qualitatively, that's not what people are going for at all though. No body punching. Punches with minimal leverage on them. Distinct lack of one punch knockouts, or really clean KO's in a damaging physical sense at all. Yes, batterings and beatings. But when you think 'finisher', you think of a guy being sent to Kirby's dreamland by an everlast glove.

Of course this all depends on what you value highly, but i think Tyson is superior in a qualitative sense by far, and is certainly formidable in a quantitative sense.

 

If by wrong, you mean "90% right", then, yeah, I suppose that's true and, so far, the poll reflects that. :thumbsup

 

Not by a mile

 

Yes, I have to "hide behind sarcasm" instead of arguing for Tyson being a better finisher than Ali, like I do when someone wearing a tin foil hat wants me to prove H.A.A.R.P. didn't hypnotize his cat to assassinate Elvis (who is now a skinny senior citizen, working part-time at a service station in Arkansas). :blurp

 

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That's one of your better ones.

 

Depends on what what we're talking about when we use the word 'Finisher' Tyson was a bigger banger than Ali. He punched HARDER.
When I think of a finisher,I visualise a guy who has his man going,and not letting him off the hook. Based on that criteria,there was n't much between them. Muhammad may have clowned on a few occasions,but when he was serious,once he had an opponent hurt,he would quite often succeed in finishing the job.

 

I don't feel he had Tillis hurt all that much, while Douglas was far more than a flash knockdown in a critical situation.

For me, the definitive episode of Ali as a killer was Ron Lyle, where he just didn't give the foundering challenger a chance to get off the hook with a fusillade of over 46 unanswered punches. Certainly he looked as though he could have dispatched Blue Lewis, Patterson, Dunn, Folley and Bob Foster earlier than he did, but being a showman, it wasn't his usual temperament.

Terrell was simply too tough and defensive minded, keeping his hands up well (which Ali complemented him on after their match. Mac Foster was both tough and defensive minded as well, and Ali may have been a bit overweight at 226, although appearing in decent tone physically.

I don't count Shavers because Muhammad go going too late in that final round to close it out. The one decision win on Ali's record which clearly should have been a knockout was Buster Mathis, but Muhammad couldn't bring himself to close the show on a badly overmatched, overweight and rusty opponent. (And it was completely insane to have Buster try coming back after a layoff of nearly three years against somebody like that. I suspect Ali might have preferred punching out some of those responsible for this travesty.)

 

Good post ! I also believe that the only factor that kept Rudi Lubbers on his feet,was Muhammad nursing his right hand.

 

Bokaj I like you bud despite you supporting the Barce scum but Tyson was the better finisher because he sat on his shots properly and turned then over properly when going after a hurt foe. Ali for the most part didn't, despite his other talents. Archie Moore said if he had spent longer with Ali he wouldn't have those brain injuries because he would have put opponents away. And with all the rain he landed on Frazier, well if he was a finisher he'd put him away