Dempsey, Liston, Holyfield, Frazier.

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  1. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    the bits I highlighted are, of course, entirely subjectve (although I agree).

    could you elaborate on Liston having a better reign?
     
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  2. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Liston????

    Liston was a genuine great fighter in 1960 and scored unique wins against a frozen floyd but one good year and 2 one round blow outs against a champion who did not want to fight him is not much of a resume. thats not to mention how he lost the title..
     
    choklab, Aug 24, 2011
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  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Dempsey????? A guy that only fought his #1 contender once and got utterly thrashed and ducked two of the best contenders of his era????

    Holyfield???? A steroid cheat who went 6-3 during his HW peak???
     
    McGrain, Aug 24, 2011
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  4. Moe Greene

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    6. Holyfield
    8. Frazier
    12. Liston
    14. Dempsey

    Is where they are in my top 15 off the top of my head :good
     
    Moe Greene, Aug 24, 2011
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  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Why the high Holyfield rating, out of interest, what's your thinking? That's about as high as i've seen him.
     
    McGrain, Aug 24, 2011
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  6. Kalasinn

    Kalasinn ♧ OG Kally ♤ Full Member

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    :huh

    Holy was past-prime from '94 (Moorer I) onwards thanks to the collapsed left ventricle of the heart he suffered, plus wear & tear, & ageing. I think this is obvious from watching him fight. Anyway, despite his severe heart problem & torn left shoulder, i still think he deserved the nod against Moorer, in their close & controversially scored affair.

    I believe Holy was at his HW Peak from '90 Buster to '93 Bowe II, & this is clear by viewing footage of his fights.
     
    Kalasinn, Aug 24, 2011
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  7. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    so what happened to sonny boy when he defended against his only #1 contender? Not sure liston did very well, remind me?

    Are you still being coy about how you rate them yourself, I take it you have it Liston, frazier, holyfeild then dempsey?
     
    choklab, Aug 24, 2011
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  8. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I agree for the most part, but would add the Dokes fight. Really liked Holyin that one.
     
    Bokaj, Aug 24, 2011
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  9. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    We're both critical of Liston, but I honestly flip him with Dempsey at #3. Otherwise, I think you got things right.
     
    PetethePrince, Aug 24, 2011
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  10. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    yeah I think I'm willing to settle on dempsey above liston.
     
    lufcrazy, Aug 24, 2011
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  11. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    :lol:

    Either you've changed a lot, or you appreciation for the "classic" has risen. Maybe it goes with your schtick still. You're the contrarian skeptic, and since nearly everyone is against Dempsey (In ranking, especially lately) than he must be underrated or wrongly rated. The elites here rank Liston higher than the norm, so he must be the worse. Frazier & Holyfield are the least controversial of the bunch so they're stuck in the middle of the pack. Have I got it right? Tell me if I'm over-analyzing and this is purely coincidental.

    *Edit*

    :lol:

    I swear I didn't see this by the time of my post. Appears I was right. Funny to see luf notice, too.
     
    PetethePrince, Aug 24, 2011
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  12. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    Anyone who ranks Liston the highest is an absolute loon unless scowls and intimidation is a part of their criteria.
     
    PetethePrince, Aug 24, 2011
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  13. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    haha yeah it did throw me seeing him put dempsey so high. however I never hit the nail on the head as you ever did :good
     
    lufcrazy, Aug 24, 2011
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  14. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    He lost - to the greatest HW in history. Nice use of the rhetorical question though, very cutting.

    When you write about Sonny, it is like he ****ed your wife. You frame everything in the worst possible terms. Anyone can do that, as I demonstrated. You rank a drugs cheat and a coward above Liston, who is a qutter that got lucky against his own coward - if you're consistent, which you aren't.

    I consider them absolutely intechangeable, with the exception of Dempsey, who should be last.
     
    McGrain, Aug 24, 2011
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  15. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    I like Sonny quite a bit but that version of Clay was hardly the greatest heavyweight ever. I would pick him to be beaten by quite a few other heavies at their bests.
     
    Seamus, Aug 24, 2011
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