how come movers are almost considered techical fighters? while pressure fighters

I agree the come foward, pressure fighters are all too often labeled as brawlers. However, movers who simply jab and throw occasional straight shots are not referred to as technical. Many of them are refered to as runners, cowards, and boring. Now robotic fighters like Kessler seem to be always refered to as technical fighters. Then again, maybe it's just perception.

 

there's a certain group of fans who consider any successful defensively minded fighter as skilled.

 

Because they're are successful.

 

but those type of fans don't consider all successful fighters as skilled, only the defensively minded ones.

 

rios is pretty technically sound

leaves his hands up, moves his head jabs his way in and throws short combos.

 

I totally agree with you. Also, when a dancer outpoints a brawler, they say he "schooled" them. But you never hear anyone say that Joe Frazier schooled Ali (which he totally did).

It's a case of mass persuasion. Ali just kept on talking on TV and repeating that he was the greatest, and eventually everyone was brainwashed.

Jack Dempsey, Rocky Marciano and Mike Tyson would beat Ali much worse than Frazier did.

 

Right; he's someone who, though lacking an elite-level defense, still has great experience in creating space on the inside, timing his punches, rolling with shots and slipping some, coming back with short combinations, etc.

My friend, whose a casual fan, along with many here on ESB, throw around the ideas that him and Antillon were just "beating the hell out of each other" and had "no defense". For ****'s sake, even Margarito leans to the side to slip the occasional punch. Taking some shots does not mean you have no defense. "No defense" just doesn't exist for infighters.

 

margarito uses more angles than he gets given credit for he even managed to trouble pacquiao somewhat.

 

You pretty much have to be a fighter or a HARDCORE fight fan to appreciate infighting for what it is. It's all skill in there. On the outside you can rely on your athleticism, but on the inside it's just you and what you've learned.

 

I guess dictating a high tempo with aggression, is percieved to be an easier skill than dictating a slow tempo.

Fighters like Ricky Hatton & Paul Williams cant keep from getting picked off from range unless they're in your face unloading. Paul Williams got outboxed by Kermit Cintron in spells, and was picked off something chronic by Quintana.

Maybe inside fighters take more punishment to? I mean when you look at James Toney, Pernell Whitaker, they are two of the most skilled fighters ever at rolling and slipping punches whilst in the pocket, then countering, but both sound a little punchy.

Being a master of controlling space time and distance is perceived to be a hard skill, which is probably why people put more stock in fighters who use their legs and fight from range.

 

Boxing is about hitting as much as you can while getting hit in return as least as possible.

Taking some punishment is apart of the deal with being a pressure fighter.

 

Well, Hatton is underrated in that department as well. His style is not pretty by any means, but there's a reason he won convincingly and stayed undefeated for so long. He employs subtle tactics that many on here don't even pick up on, but that are essential to his success in separating him from lesser technicians.

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I don't know that having "textbook form" makes you a "technical fighter". Sweet Pea was a technical fighter who often disregarded leg placement, glove defensive stance, and body mechanics. I think that a technical fighter is someone who hits and is in return not hit. Sweet Pea, Willie Pep, Hopkins spring to mind.

Still you can be an inside or an outside technical fighter. Mayweather is a potshot, counterpunch, very accurate outside technical fighter. James Toney in his prime was a "in the pocket" master. having a sick understanding for his opponents body mechanics and punch anticipation. This let him counterpunch and shoulder roll technically negating his opponents attacks while pressing home his own advantages.