Jack Johnson v Ezzard Charles 15rds?

I am quoting reports from the day after the fight. How is that "uppity".

NYT is being used in all the quotes listed. There is no mention of O'Brien being tired or broken down. In fact, they give the 6th and final round to O'Brien. They also state that everytime Johnson went on the offense O'Brien beat him into retreat. Johnson had one moment in the 4th (not the 5th) with a right hand that had O'Brien clinching.

 

As I see it a prime Ezzard Charles would win a very wide 15 rd. decision. Jack Johnson would pose a lot, but he was way too slow and easy to hit for the real and fast Ezzard Charles.

Woller

 

I like Ezzard charles in this one.

 

This is a good point, McVey. But I think we both know that the consequences of getting outfoxed by Johnson are considerably less severe than the consequences of getting outfoxed by Walcott. Walcott is one of the more underrated punchers in heavyweight history and that left hook was far and beyond anything Johnson had in his arsenal in terms of pure KO power.

I'm sure Burley and Moore outfoxed Charles here and there in their respective bouts. Just wish we had the films so we could see how Charles adapted and responded. But we have the results, which should be enough to assume that he adapted well and thus would also most likely be able to survive any foxy moves by Johnson.

I'll take a prime Ez by UD.:good

 

I can see the bigger / stronger Johnson of 1908 to 1910 falling behind early against 1950 Charles in a 15 rounder, but eventually he'd begin cutting Charles off and landing to his head and body and wearing Charles down for a very late TKO win... Note, many rds would be overally tactical and somewhat boring while this bout unfolded...

Johnson TKO 14 or 15 Charles... Charles ahead on 2 of the 3 cards when the referee waives it off....

MR.BILL

MR.BILL

 

i think it would be a close fight. charles would be attempting to land sharp right hands by fooling johnson to walk into them, a trick which would have no success as jack likes to take his time with fights, even if it is 15 rounds.
charles likes to throw out his jab, and throw beautiful, jumping left hooks behind a stiff, effective jab. i think this would bewilder jack.

but charles would most certainly have his hands full as jack was no slouch! i think that charles would probably win a close decision. johnson would be bloodied by uppercuts also if he started a grapple fest.

 

i like charles by decision but i think it'd be close.

 

What bothers me here is that Buzzard Charles was indeed a slickster with savvy as a boxer, but he never really displayed his peak skills on a man the size and strength of a peak Jack Johnson who also was quite skilled and cute in the ring... Hell, even the great Joe Wally was a couple inches shorter and roughly a dozen solid pounds of muscle LESS than Jack Johnson.... Point being is, Johnson would seem monsterous next to Charles stretched at around 6' tall and 183 pounds.... And, we all know that Johnson was no stumble-bum with no coordination.... Charles has his hands full here.....

MR.BILL

 

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It was a clean hook to the jaw that took Charles out, not an uppercut.

 

It actually looked to me like a hook/uppercut hybrid, not unlike Razor Rudduck's famous "smash" punch.

 

I really question Johnson's ability to handle the pace that Charles would lay down. And I think Johnson's power is quite a bit overstated. If Johnson could establish quick counters too match Ezzard's speed, he could have an effect. I just don't see him winning, though, with what I have seen exhibited on film. And I do believe I have seen every round of Johnson available to the general, non douchebag collector, public.