Jack Johnson v Ezzard Charles 15rds?

That kind of upercut was what dempsey called "inside shovel hooks and uppercuts". with a smaller glove they used to favour using the least padded area of the glove, not always the knuckle area. This made for a shorter more precise punch at half power but they would get enough whip and snap on it then time the opponent onto them so the impact was as devestating as a full Tyson like golf swing -only more accurate. bigger rocket launched uppercuts are only effective when the impact occurs at the right point of the arc of the swing, where as those shovel uppercuts were much tighter with no room for a glancing impact.

 

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Ok, so you think Johnson was gassed and out of shape at 205 pounds vs. a feather fisted 160 in a six round fight? You are wrong. Fact is O'Brien ( Have you seen him on film, I have ) was too fast and had outfighting skills. When you factor in that Johnson did not throw many punches in most of his filmed fights ( or coasted often as you say ), this made him look bad.

You want to use 205lbs? Fine. Johnson was well above that vs. Moran and Willard and had plenty of stamina in both maches for 15+ rounds! How can this be???!!

Keep in mind Moran and Willard hit a lot harder than O’Brien did. If 205 was too heavy for Johnson in a six round match, he would have gassed out much earlier as an older fighter vs. Moran and Willard.

 

Both are physically matched by very lil difference.

But one thing that is totally different is the era and rules in which these guys fought. Surely enough johnson would find difficulty weathering charles simultaneous combinations in his respected era But Charles would find himself with broken fist all a while johnson would slap him around a bit into a decision 25rnd victory.

so with that being said. i got Ezzard by ud 15 rds modified rules.

 

Maybe because he was used to fighting a his own pace vs. slow footed, and smaller fighters, then clinching them and hitting. When you have to chase someone, you get tried faster. The press reports Marciano looked tired too. Do you beleive that?

Now, do you think Johnson in his prime in 1909 at 205 pounds was in better shape than he was 35+ and 15 pounds heavier for Moran and Willard in fights that lasted 20 rounds or more? I do. This was a six round match. Oldtimers back then could roll out of bed and go six.​

 

Not all the press said that. Some make no mention of Johnson gassing. Do you think they were lying? List your sources...a few of them. I think styles had a lot to due with the results, and no, 205 was a fine weight for Johnson in 1909 who was rather active, and not rusty at all when the match took place!

Now can you awnser my quesiton. Was Johnson in better shape at 205 vs. O'Brien in his prime, or as a 35+ year older fighter 15-20 pounds heavier in long distance matches vs. Willard and Moran?

Do you really think 205 for Johnson was gassed in a 6 round match? If you do, I suggest you learn about modern camps where fighters with long layoffs over a year and more fat on them spar 6 rounds or more without gassing.