PAC-Floyd common opponents, who's doing a better job?

Mayweather fought fresher, younger, more confident versions of Hatton, Mosley, and ODLH, at weights that did not drain them. Yes, Hatton fought at 140 for most of his career, but, Floyd fought at 130 -135 for most of his career. So, a fight between two guys who were not natural WW's, at WW, does not yield much of an advantage to either, IMO. Not to mention, each man fought at least 1 bout at the weight, prior.

Pac fought a fresher, younger, always confident version of JMM, at weights that were comfortable for both men, at the time. However, ODLH was a corpse against Pac at 147. The fact that Pac moved up two divisions and dominated the fight, said more about his ability to carry the weight, than about his prowess over ODLH. It told me nothing about how he'd handle a natural WW...that is until he dominated Cotto (now that was impressive). Against, Hatton, IMPRESSIVE victory, but AFTER Floyd stole this man's bravado. Against Mosley, again...AFTER Floyd showed how much Mosley really had left. Before that, they were not trying to go anywhere near Mosley. It was a **** fight, in which Mosely and Manny were performing at lower levels than we'd seen previously... Mosley, because of his age and inability to pull the trigger, and Pac because of Mosley's movement and his leg cramps(?).

Against common opponents, I'd have to give it to Floyd....3-1. IMO, the upcoming JMM fight is a better point of comparison, than any of the above. JMM will have looked good prior to each of these bouts, and he will have had to move up two divisions for each. And he still has something left in the tank.

 

well with all things considered going into the bouts id say they are about even

JMM- by my card Manny is 1-0-1 agaisnt JMM but had life and death battles vs him...Floyd after a layoff took him apart by being sharp and quick not using his size and laying on him....Manny got him younger and dropped him, Floyd dominated him and dropepd him

Oscar- Floyd struggled and got a SD that shoulda been a UD in a fight he dominanted and out pointed him and won by taking the last 4 when Oscar tired he put on a great performance....Manny fought him well below his comfort zone and punished him, he was a huge underdog and got the stoppage....id say floyd edges by form of opponent beat but mannys method of victory is greater i think

Hatton- Floyd stuggled at times vs the undefeated 140 pound champ i had it nip tuck thru 6 then Hatton jsut got worn down, great performance and finish from Floyd and he did it first....Manny fought him at 140 dropepd him 3 times en route to a brutal KTFO, ppl say Hatton was KO'd by floyd and look horrible vs laszano but had a career day vs malinaggi, ppl sight floyd sr corner drama i dont know whats true or not

Mosley- Floyd after a rocky start absolutley dominated caught him flush many times prob coulda stopped him if he put shots togetther later....Manny hurt him dropepd him and discouraged him to a route

in my view they are about even

manny on a good day outworks and over runs guys bloodies them drops them and typically stops them

floyd on a good day methodically breaks you down takes away your game and hits you at will, seemingly carriers opponents he could probably stop but prefers to punish for 12 rounds

id say about even

 

Pacquiao did not fight a better Hatton. Roach would even tell you that the Hatton that fought Floyd was better

 

I'd say 3-1 in favor of Floyd but what about the guys Floyd didn't face like Cotto, Margarito and Clottey. Three of the better/best WWs of this era. Pacman stepped up to the challenge, Floyd didn't.

 

Mayweather fought the better version of Hatton, Mosely, DLH

PAC fought the better version of JMM.


I chose Mayweather.

I don't really rate PACs victory over Mosely or DLH that high.. Obviously when PAC the vulture gets there to pick up the crumbs he already knows it's gonna be an easy meal.

 

negative on the Shane..

Floyd FOGUHT A #3 IN THE WORLD RANKED SHANE MOSLEY WHO WAS COMING OFF A GREAT VICTORY OVER TONY.

PAC FOUGHT A # 14 IN THE WORLD RANKED SHANE MOSLEY WHO WAS COMING OFF A DRAW (I THOUGHT HE WON THOUGH) TO SERGIO MORA.

THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE IN FIGHTING A GUY WHEN HE'S RANKED AT THE TOP AND FIGHTING A GUY WHEN HE IS NOT RANKED AT THE TOP:deal

The only man "ranked higher" in both the division and the world not named Shane Mosley was Manny Pacquiao at the time Floyd fought him:deal

 

nallege???

 

There is no way pac should have dominated the same opponents that Floyd struggled with even if they were 1 yr removed from losing to Floyd. None were shot or drained even though excuses are easy.

 

They weren't the same opponents for the reasons you just stated.

 

Lol.... Sure they were... So was Oscar not the same when Floyd edged out a split decision since DLH lost to Shane, tito and nard? SHANE had already lost to winky and Vernon. So are we to dismiss any win over a fighter with loses? Lol. Not one fighter who faced pac has used the excuse of being weight drained as the reason for losing to Manny... Those excuses come from Floyd fans..

 

What's so funny about my post?

 

Note the people that Shane lost to. Winky Wright & Vernon Forrest. De La Hoya lost to Shane, Tito, and Bernard Hopkins.

Pause.

De La Hoya himself has said that he was weight drained. Freddy Roach admits this, and you dont. How could you not? Hatton was an undefeated fighter, until Floyd beat him. Pacquaio's camp wanted NO parts of Mosley. Shane begged for a fight with Pacquaio at Welter after the Oscar fight, Roach says 142, Shane says he cant make it, then changes his mind and says he can...and they STILL didnt fight him. Only when he loses to Floyd, and draws with Mora is the fight made.

You know...I respect opinions. I just feel like it's some powerful Kool-Aid that some Pacquiao fans drink. And I really think that most of the stuff said on here pertaining to Floyd/Manny isnt even up for debate when someone has really paid attention to what has gone on over these years.

 

:thumbsup

 

Well.... Who did Ricky Oscar and Shane lose to before pac destroyed them? Floyd! Who is one of the best fighters in tbae last decade.

Find me the direct quote from Oscar saying he lost because of being weight drained. I can find you quotes from nacho saying Oscar was not drained and pac was just too fast.

It's funny you mention "drinking the koolaid"..... Floyd has gotten a hold of some pretty potent stuff that causes his most loyal fans to get stuck on stupid even when the truth is right there in front of them. Denial is very powerful.