I'm just done watching Fedor vs Henderson...And wow....

There's a difference between prime and shot. I think Fedor was neither of these in the Hendo fight.

 

Dan Henderson was competetive against Nogueira during that time but unspectacular against others. I nthink he would have been "up" fir a Fedor fight at any point in his career giving him trouble. Dan's greco-roman style seems to be the one to give Fedor's sambo trouble because he works inside with a superior upper body clinch whereas Fedor's grappling is more well rounded with better submissions. Those submissions don't work if he can never get in position to apply them.

 

im a huge fedor fan but cmon now, you honestly think going lump and face first on the canvass is fedor's way of thinking of coming up with something? fedor was able to turn around because herb intervened to stop hendo.

its plain obvious that fedor lost that one. he got caught and hard. sad to say he's past prime but still capable of coming up with great fights.. im a pride fanatic by the way.. my avy shows..

 

Far closer to shot then prime then.

I think Fedor is shot. Three losses in a row after 28 straight wins, fedor has been clearly declining since his fight to arlovski. That Fedor, (of arlovski and Rogers)would have lost to nog and Cro-cop(prime versions of course).

Now he is getting Ko'd by smaller men, getting destroyed by good but not great heavyweight and submitted in the first round?

If not shot, as close to shot as one can be without actually being shot.

 

IMO I don't think he is shot, I just think he didn't evolved one bit since 2006.

 

That's because we're trying to help you work out whatever issues you have that cause you to cry conspiracy whenever a former Pride great falls.

 

Big Foot was simply to big and skilled, but Werdum & Hendo were winnable fights for him. Plain and simple, he ****ed it up by being so wild when he dropped both to the canvass.

And apart from the Cro Cop fight where he picked his punches better, he's always been the same when striking. How come two glarring mistakes make him shot? It's not like he's in the same boat as Wanderlei & Big Nog, who are genuinely shot to ****

That's not shot, it's careless, maybe unmotiviated and as Nev said he's the same style with a slight physical decline since 2006. He was going to get beat eventually unless he changed it up, and that's exactly what happened.

 

Nail on the head.

 

If you can't see that Fedor is shot nobody can help you now bub. atsch

 

I think Fedor is shot. Not horribly shot-to-smithereens Roy Jones-style, but too far gone to be merely considered past-prime.

His punch resistance is definitely worse than it used to be, no way in ****ing hell is Fedor slumping face-first onto the ground from a punch thrown with no leverage from a 207lbs man in his physical prime, that's not even up for debate.

Outwith that, I do think he isn't as mentally sharp as he was, nor does he have the same composure. If you look back at his Pride heyday, he was much more disciplined, methodical and incisive. Now he is much more haphazard, wayward and reckless. I think this is due to a lack of confidence in himself; as he has felt his physical abilities slipping, he over-compensates by trying to end fights as quickly as possible rather than trusting himself to be able to find the opportune moment to end the fight.

He seems physically more fragile now as well, his eyes seem to swell up with alarming ease and his face has some scar tissue.

I think the beatdown from Bigfoot had a lot to do with how quickly Fedor is ageing, that kind of sustained beating takes something from a fighter, both mentally and physically.


And as much as I love Hendo, I have to agree with Yaca You, in 03-06 this fight would not have been remotely competitive. Dan would've got stomped. TKO, referee stoppage, after a striking domination. Dan's chin is too sturdy to get iced, but he'd have got beaten down to the point of a mercy stoppage.

 

Haha well, I dont consider him to be Prime, that much is obvious

But the story of both fights, Fedor opens up with the same wild haymakers he's been throwing since 03, kd's Werdum/Hendo and has them where he wants them

On paper sounds like same old Fedor

Now, whilst on the ground, in both fights, instead of establishing a base and controlling his opponant, he throws wild shots, and allows himself to get caught in a DEEP triangle and swept to back mount and caught with a punch he didn't see coming by Hendo and pounded out

Easily winable fights for Fedor as the hit the ground, but he blew it, simple.

 

You mean back when Hendo was in his 30's?

 

Yes, when Hendo was in his 30's.

I think it quite clear that Dan Hendersons longevity in MMA is amazing.

Vitor belfort and Randy Couture have also been around for awhile but neither are as great as Dan Henderson.

Fedor like most great fighters decline very quickly when they reach there mid 30's range. This should not be held against them however, not everyone can be a Bernard Hopkins. This is precisely what makes fighters like Dan Henderson special.:deal

 

So the losses dont count when factoring Fedor's legacy?