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Great post. Highlighted part in particular.

 

Yep. Also my eyebrows get raised a bit at the athleticism argument when i see everyone from the cut dudes to the fatties getting tired after like 6 high action rounds.

 

:good

They use these arguments without actually citing any real life examples of them working out, whereas advocates of ages gone by (or just fighters in general) actually let the footage do their arguing for them. Then again, some people only see what they want to see (which is also funny, considering the modern advocates are usually the ones telling us we're doing the same). Curious. Very curious.

 

The worst part of this whole thing is the sports science argument. I always raise my eyebrows at this **** because if you actually watch boxers train you'll see that with very very few exceptions conditioning wise these guys are doing nothing new. Jump rope, bag drills, pad work, sometimes strongman work with hammers, tires, and medicine balls, and short and long distance sprinting. All of these have been a part of a boxing routine since the 30's and before. Hell Joe Louis was using rowing machines and all that jazz too.

There are a few guys that have properly applied plyometrics and limited anaerobic exercises like big core lifts and such(pacquiao/ariza/klitschko) to a routine with marked results. The rest are pretty much following their predecessors. If you want to make the argument for supplements and PEDS, sure. They work. But the overall boxing training regimen appears pretty damn constant. There's an emphasis on strength and speed over skill and stamina, and we can see how well that's worked out.

Except these guys are sparring and fighting less. Much less.

 

Bingo.

Now I'll see you in here next week when we have to go over all of this again.:good

 

are you talking down to people again, HENDO?

because you sure dont know what you're talking about.

in the last three fights you predicted:

Haye KO over WK.

PW KO Lara

Zab KO over Khan.

when are you going to stop talking down to people here on the ESB forums?

because i got no problem coming over here and throwing down a can of whopp-ass on know-it-all's like you talking down to other forum members.

HENDO herinafter referred to as DUMBO.

 

I would agree based on the current crop of fighters at those weights but there are fighters from other periods who would have given Robinson lots of problems.

Robinson wouldn't have walked through guys like Hagler or Leonard.

 

It would be at least more entertaining if they had PowerPuncher esque arguments working for them based upon pure athleticism, population of talent pool, or some actual sports science but most of these guys are just saying 'herp evolution derp'.

 

training is training for sure. sparring, running, hitting the bag, mitts, etc. guys back then fought more often and fought longer fights. i gotta agree w/ you guys there.

i will say that certain fighters have used nutritionists with great results. hopkins looked amazing moving from mw to lhw w/ mackie shiltsone.

 

huh?

He wouldnt even make it to the olympics!

Sports evolve,that doesnt mean that old timey fightersdont deserve to be praised. They fought in a different time,and were dominnat in their era.

 

who gives a **** if he beat willard? he didn't have the skill level of wladimir! plus, he had been out of the ring for a few years when he fought dempsey.

that's like saying: " haye beat a much bigger fighter in valuev, so that means he's going to beat wlad" it doesn't mean that in the slightest!!

and you're wrong on the sanders part as well. he was counter punching in that fight. he was also a southpaw. completely different to dempsey, numb nuts.

the jab would shut dempsey down. he'd keep him on the outside, never letting him in on the inside where he was effective. he's just too big and skilled for dempsey. it hurts me to say it, but it's the truth.

 

are you seriously playing that game? have i watched him fight?:rofl

yeah, i usually make comments on fighters i have never seen. idiot.

those fighters you mentioned were way past prime. especially louis!

in the first charles fight, he nearly got stopped, but pulled it out of the bag.

and in the first walcott fight, he was getting outclassed before finding his "suzie q"

don't talk to me about watching the fights or not.

he was a brawler.

 

yep. :good it wasn't a great era when marciano was around. i just put it down to americans being brain washed and ignorant on boxings history.

 

no.

 

he beat a jack johnson that was old. it happens to most fighters.